United Airlines Growth Halted By The FAA
03-23-2024, 08:16 AM
#21
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Originally Posted by AArdwolf
Settle down there Francis, it wasn't meant to be a dig at the pilots. We know what you're going through. Parker and his sidekick Kirby nearly destroyed AA during there time here and we are still a bad resession from going into Bankruptcy due to their shenanigans. Sure, mass fleet expansion and 30,000 pilots or whatever may sound great to you but becareful what you wish for. He isn't the savior you think he is. Again, good luck and I mean it.
P.S. we actually thank Delta for that contract. It was us who got you guys out of that horrible TA your Union came up with in late 22.
P.S. we actually thank Delta for that contract. It was us who got you guys out of that horrible TA your Union came up with in late 22.
I’m no mgmt fan boy, but Kirby has done everything he said he would do, and everything he’s predicted has come true. Pretty sure Parker not taking the reins off of him is what drove him to leave, he’s done nothing but make money here and grow, successfully.
As far as the contract… you guys literally copy and pasted the TUMI TA. WTF are you even talking about?!? I read it, it was damn near word for word. We shot it down by 94%, Delta and the NMB then finally set the bar. APA has never led the way on anything and never had industry leading anything, (except maybe debt).
Credit where credit is due, APA led the charge against Boeing and pilot blaming for the max crashes…
03-23-2024, 08:18 AM
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Originally Posted by MasterOfPuppets
exactly this.
also none of this is a pilot problem. All these Maintenance isssues were handled exactly like they should have been by the pilots. To say that we have pilot problems is insulting as our pilots did exactly what they are supposed too.
runway over runs happen every single year and the fact that we made it to March without a single plane in the mud is a testament to United’s pilots. Hell a couple years ago we were putting an aircraft in the mud monthly……and those were very experienced Captains.
Sashas letter was very vague and I think the MCO LEC took some extrem liberties in telling their members that there will be no more type ratings. Sashas letter could simply mean that 321 ETOPS is on hold or 777 ETOPS 240 for the South Atlantic for the Capetown flight is on hold. It could also mean that NEW APDs, PIs and LCPs will not be accepted until further notice.
i can tell you that we have APDs, LCPs and PIs that have no business being in those positions. The FAA sees that and as always gritted there teeth and accepted it because United is self certifying. This could be a good thing as now the FAA could come in and pull letters without ALPA protecting the bad apples……cull the herd and make us all stronger.
When GG went on his hiring binge of PIs, LCPs and Evaluators and made every single instructor and LCP a QC the FAA raised a ton of flags…..let’s see what they do
also none of this is a pilot problem. All these Maintenance isssues were handled exactly like they should have been by the pilots. To say that we have pilot problems is insulting as our pilots did exactly what they are supposed too.
runway over runs happen every single year and the fact that we made it to March without a single plane in the mud is a testament to United’s pilots. Hell a couple years ago we were putting an aircraft in the mud monthly……and those were very experienced Captains.
Sashas letter was very vague and I think the MCO LEC took some extrem liberties in telling their members that there will be no more type ratings. Sashas letter could simply mean that 321 ETOPS is on hold or 777 ETOPS 240 for the South Atlantic for the Capetown flight is on hold. It could also mean that NEW APDs, PIs and LCPs will not be accepted until further notice.
i can tell you that we have APDs, LCPs and PIs that have no business being in those positions. The FAA sees that and as always gritted there teeth and accepted it because United is self certifying. This could be a good thing as now the FAA could come in and pull letters without ALPA protecting the bad apples……cull the herd and make us all stronger.
When GG went on his hiring binge of PIs, LCPs and Evaluators and made every single instructor and LCP a QC the FAA raised a ton of flags…..let’s see what they do
Let’s hope you’re right.
03-23-2024, 08:28 AM
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Originally Posted by Merle Haggard
By being focused on the wrong thing.
You can't take your eye off the ball (safety) in aviation - you'll get hit in the face.
You can't take your eye off the ball (safety) in aviation - you'll get hit in the face.
Why is only one LEC pushing this information out? Why are they speaking in overly vague verbiage? This could be catastrophic or a complete nothing burger, like the 321 fleet that was GROUNDED...because the no smoking lights couldn't be directly turned off, just like every other fleet, but somebody didn't send in a waiver to get that approved. Maybe I'm the crazy one, but I'm going to wait until I hear official details from official sources, but if folks want to panic over hype and rumors go for it.
03-23-2024, 08:30 AM
#24
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Originally Posted by opt0712
Is this an issue with low experience levels due to quick upgrades? Or is this just because of the increased visibility on recent United incidents by the media?
- in-flight engine failure
- compressor stall
- hydraulic system failure
- engine fire shortly after takeoff
- hydraulic fluid leak
- wheel fell off on takeoff
- overshot taxiway after landing
- missing panel discovered after flight
There have been a few other mechanical issues, but the point is that the only incident that can be blamed on the crew is the one in IAH where they overshot the taxiway. Apparently the controller asked them to expedite exiting the runway and they took the turn too fast. There but for the grace of god go I.
Perhaps they have inexperienced maintenance crews that have contributed (though I doubt that’s the case), but inexperienced flight crews certainly aren’t the issue here.
Frankly I think they’ve just been unlucky and the media/public is hypersensitive to airline issues these days. So what would normally be non-events (e.g. diverting for a warning light in flight or finding evidence of a bird strike after landing) become headline news.
03-23-2024, 08:44 AM
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Originally Posted by worstpilotever
Guess you havent seen any pictures of the new hire classes.
Very few people outside of United see new hire class pictures but the masses DO see the ads and the billboards.
03-23-2024, 08:47 AM
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Originally Posted by Dct to Dest
and loss of self rides yikes
03-23-2024, 08:58 AM
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Originally Posted by JetDoc
It's not DEI it's self but the optics of DEI. When a company that incessantly and without shame trumpets how woke they are with TV and print ads, billboards, airport signage etc. starts stacking airplanes, people, inculding the flying public right or wrong are going to form opinions.
Very few people outside of United see new hire class pictures but the masses DO see the ads and the billboards.
Very few people outside of United see new hire class pictures but the masses DO see the ads and the billboards.
03-23-2024, 08:59 AM
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Originally Posted by khergan
It doesn't affect me personally, but it does tip the hand of what the priorities are at the higher levels of the company.
What if we celebrated...you know, people who have achieved something, i.e. the MLK standard, content of character/achievement rathen than color of the skin? Years of service to the company. 10,000 hours flown incident and accident free. Successful projects completed. Spotlights on ACHIEVEMENT or standards rather than endlessly celebrating things that have absoltuely nothing to do with the competence or character of the person.
If that's what we are prioritizing at the senior levels, that will bleed down to junior managers. Their priorities won't be on performance metrics, but whatever they think will make their bosses happy. People want to get promoted, and they will act accordingly based on what they perceive the company priorities to be.
Anyway...that's my 2c anyway. You can feel free to agree or disagree with me, doesn't bother me.
What if we celebrated...you know, people who have achieved something, i.e. the MLK standard, content of character/achievement rathen than color of the skin? Years of service to the company. 10,000 hours flown incident and accident free. Successful projects completed. Spotlights on ACHIEVEMENT or standards rather than endlessly celebrating things that have absoltuely nothing to do with the competence or character of the person.
If that's what we are prioritizing at the senior levels, that will bleed down to junior managers. Their priorities won't be on performance metrics, but whatever they think will make their bosses happy. People want to get promoted, and they will act accordingly based on what they perceive the company priorities to be.
Anyway...that's my 2c anyway. You can feel free to agree or disagree with me, doesn't bother me.
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