Vacancy 26-05
12-09-2025 | 11:52 AM
#122
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Weird flying with dudes that can hold the holidays off by a mile and still choose to work those days. Especially with a young family. But who am I to judge lol they’re out there doing the Lord’s work for the junior guys 😂
12-09-2025 | 12:19 PM
#123
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From: Guppy Gear Slinger
12-09-2025 | 12:47 PM
#124
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The reality is that a lot of fence sitters, predominantly NBFOs, who are now bidding NBCA because they assumed that there were always going to be open slots. I think this a return to normalcy and a 3-5+ year wait is a very good general estimate of what the upgrade picture will look like.
12-09-2025 | 12:52 PM
#125
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From: Guppy Gear Slinger
Yeah he just pulled that out of his you know what. There are plenty of WBFOs who got assigned it out of indoc or bid it before they started getting senior who can't bid NBCA.
The reality is that a lot of fence sitters, predominantly NBFOs, who are now bidding NBCA because they assumed that there were always going to be open slots. I think this a return to normalcy and a 3-5+ year wait is a very good general estimate of what the upgrade picture will look like.
The reality is that a lot of fence sitters, predominantly NBFOs, who are now bidding NBCA because they assumed that there were always going to be open slots. I think this a return to normalcy and a 3-5+ year wait is a very good general estimate of what the upgrade picture will look like.
12-09-2025 | 01:03 PM
#126
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Yeah he just pulled that out of his you know what. There are plenty of WBFOs who got assigned it out of indoc or bid it before they started getting senior who can't bid NBCA (right now).
The reality is that a lot of fence sitters, predominantly NBFOs, who are now bidding NBCA because they assumed that there were always going to be open slots. I think this a return to normalcy and a 3-5+ year wait is a very good general estimate of what the upgrade picture will look like.
The reality is that a lot of fence sitters, predominantly NBFOs, who are now bidding NBCA because they assumed that there were always going to be open slots. I think this a return to normalcy and a 3-5+ year wait is a very good general estimate of what the upgrade picture will look like.
12-09-2025 | 01:11 PM
#127
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• Most junior WBFO in this bid is an 8.3 number, or 45% system seniority. I believe that's a 2018-ish hire (34XXX employee number) but my ability to correlate DOH to seniority number isn't very accurate for pre-pandemic hires, so perhaps someone with better knowledge can weight in?
12-09-2025 | 01:38 PM
#128
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You guys are quoting the date of hire of pilots awarded WB positions on a vacancy bid where no WB positions were even offered. That will give you a wildly inaccurate timeline to hold WBFO or WBCA.
Last edited by FlyPanAm; 12-09-2025 at 02:15 PM.
12-09-2025 | 01:51 PM
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Bottom line is there are a lot of doomer pilots that are super negative about everything and if a bid only has 1 backfill on the 787 FO in DEN with a 2000 hire date they claim it now take "25 years to hold WBFO in DEN" for the reason you mention.
12-09-2025 | 01:56 PM
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Just glancing at the active senority report shows the plug in every WBFO category other than ORD 787 is junior to 132xx which is the senority needed to hold NBCA on the latest snapshot. While I'm sure the majority of WBFOs aren't looking to bid NBCA right now, there are at least a few that couldn't hold it even if they wanted.
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