What happens when both sides recall?
01-14-2012 | 06:29 AM
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01-14-2012 | 06:53 AM
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I've trained with both UAL and CAL and can say from experience, that both are good programs. I trained with UAL while on AD for over 10 yrs and now with CAL. CAL is a more compressed especially on the 737 and much more automated and technologically advanced. No holding hands, especially with guys that are not focused and with attitudes. Bottom line, they will and have ask pilots to leave whom can't get through the training..
01-14-2012 | 06:59 AM
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Also: I had no systems training at all. They said I got that when I was hired, even though I flew three different aircraft since then.
01-14-2012 | 07:09 AM
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True. I asked how they can give me ONE warm up sim before my checkrides after being out of the plane for 5 years. They said it's cheaper to do it that way. If I need another sim, they'd give it to me, but it's cheaper to get me through with the bare minimums. I was flying online and didn't have the flows down yet.
Also: I had no systems training at all. They said I got that when I was hired, even though I flew three different aircraft since then.
Also: I had no systems training at all. They said I got that when I was hired, even though I flew three different aircraft since then.
01-14-2012 | 07:11 AM
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As an outside observer, I needed to comment on a notion that appears to take rise in this particular thread and surfaces on other threads with regularity.
I don't think anybody is selling their "skillset" short. I see a great deal of pride and accomplishment in one's "skillset" in the piloting profession. However, one's "skillset" pride is not going to determine the value of a labor contract for that particular skillset..
The market determines everything...pilot "wants" will have minimal to do with contract settlement unless "wants" correlate with the existing labor market.
In an industry such as US air transportation (deregulated for nearly 35 years), two things and two things only will determine where a labor contract settles...craft and class positions at direct competition and the economy.
Sorry guys, the market determines everything. Labor is certainly at the table, but settlement is determined by competitive position and the economy. The AMR bankruptcy did not help any ongoing negotiations and "wants" are unlikely to be a factor unless...they coincide with the market.
I don't think anybody is selling their "skillset" short. I see a great deal of pride and accomplishment in one's "skillset" in the piloting profession. However, one's "skillset" pride is not going to determine the value of a labor contract for that particular skillset..
The market determines everything...pilot "wants" will have minimal to do with contract settlement unless "wants" correlate with the existing labor market.
In an industry such as US air transportation (deregulated for nearly 35 years), two things and two things only will determine where a labor contract settles...craft and class positions at direct competition and the economy.
Sorry guys, the market determines everything. Labor is certainly at the table, but settlement is determined by competitive position and the economy. The AMR bankruptcy did not help any ongoing negotiations and "wants" are unlikely to be a factor unless...they coincide with the market.
01-14-2012 | 08:47 AM
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Special Tracking,
Remember you are talking to "Attny"...
The big picture you are painting about our state of affairs at UAL might be lost in the details like;
-Who's corner was the dog backed into?
-Does the property owner have liability insurance?
-Which state did this occur in?
-Does the dog's owner have liability insurance?
-Was the floor wet?
-Does the cleaning company have liability insurance?
-Was the dog wearing a collar?
-Does the manufacture of the collar have liability insurance?
-What food does the dog eat?
-Does the dog food company have liability insurance?
The same attorney who has nothing better to do than peruse the APC Forum, and decides to select the UAL-CAL section to provide the lower your expectations to the market speech. Interesting how the "free" and "heartfelt" advice is offered to UAL/CAL pilots here at no charge.
No "pearls" of wisdom for the SWAPA pilots, or AMR guys?
No mention of the RLA that restrains the airline pilot group?
Hmm...
It sure smells like a management rat, or a precious wanna be.
SP
Remember you are talking to "Attny"...
The big picture you are painting about our state of affairs at UAL might be lost in the details like;
-Who's corner was the dog backed into?
-Does the property owner have liability insurance?
-Which state did this occur in?
-Does the dog's owner have liability insurance?
-Was the floor wet?
-Does the cleaning company have liability insurance?
-Was the dog wearing a collar?
-Does the manufacture of the collar have liability insurance?
-What food does the dog eat?
-Does the dog food company have liability insurance?
The same attorney who has nothing better to do than peruse the APC Forum, and decides to select the UAL-CAL section to provide the lower your expectations to the market speech. Interesting how the "free" and "heartfelt" advice is offered to UAL/CAL pilots here at no charge.
No "pearls" of wisdom for the SWAPA pilots, or AMR guys?
No mention of the RLA that restrains the airline pilot group?
Hmm...
It sure smells like a management rat, or a precious wanna be.
SP
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