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Old 01-29-2012 | 07:27 AM
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You asked who, your magic 8 Ball? When someone says it "Should be" means it won't be. For the record all eligible LUAL employees last year received the same percentage with the exception being Jeff and the boys.
Mr A320, My name is lee Mata DCA 767 CAPT and I don't have a magic 8 Ball. I asked the in the back office and also sent an email to my reps and the R&I folks....The last MEC update also made reference to the fact that they are aware of the discrepancy and are looking into it...You have something further to say to me, now you know who I am and where to find me if you need to clear anything else up....Carry on..

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Old 01-29-2012 | 07:30 AM
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The financials weren't reported that way when they announced the PS percentage so you are just speculating.
Did you miss the part where I said I was speculating?
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Old 01-29-2012 | 07:39 AM
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Originally Posted by A320
You asked who, your magic 8 Ball? When someone says it "Should be" means it won't be. For the record all eligible LUAL employees last year received the same percentage with the exception being Jeff and the boys.
I will be at the FLL Family Awareness event on the 2nd and I am sure the topic will come up for discussion there as well. Like I said on my earlier post, We should find out soon enough....
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Old 01-29-2012 | 07:41 AM
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Originally Posted by A320
The financials weren't reported that way when they announced the PS percentage so you are just speculating.
It's all just speculation until you get your check. Who cares what Jeff and the flyingtogether website spew.
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Old 01-29-2012 | 07:43 AM
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Originally Posted by LeeMat
Mr A320, My name is lee Mata DCA 767 CAPT and I don't have a magic 8 Ball. I asked the in the back office and also sent an email to my reps and the R&I folks....The last MEC update also made reference to the fact that they are aware of the discrepancy and are looking into it...You have something further to say to me, now you know who I am and where to find me if any to clear anything else up....Carry on..

The all knowing Back Office with still no specifics other than "Should Be". Not convincing. I stopped believing the Back Office a long time ago. They are under the same mushroom cloud of factual information as you and I are. Here are a few more "Should Be" statements from the back office

1. There Should Be a contract before the end of the transition agrement
2. There Should be an On Top On Time contract
3. There Should Be IPads in your hands by November

Etc etc etc


Some people buy the Should Be answer from management and the MEC and comfortably walk away and not bring it up again. Then to find out later that it didn't happen as it Should Be and then are surprised, again.
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Old 01-29-2012 | 07:49 AM
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Yes, you are spot on - CAL people are getting more at the expense of the UAL people. They want all the benefits earned on the backs of others and at the same time they are not willing to standup for what's right.

You've already subjugated 1437 and you aren't going to be happy until to add another 4800 to that list. Your arrogance is astounding. It's either bend to your will or suffer. This isn't a merger for you. It's personal. You want nothing more than to inflict the same pain, suffering, and general discontent you've had for the last 10+ years and you aren't going to stop until we are all just as miserable and pathetic as you are. This isn't about JP or PS or the CAL pilot group. You are just ****ed at the world and want to bring us all down with you. I actually feel sorry for you.
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Old 01-29-2012 | 08:14 AM
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Originally Posted by dexim
It's not about the PS. It's about the mindset of the CAL guys in their support of Pierce as he does the company bidding. Pierce=Whiteford.
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And Dexim's attitude and actions=FAIL.

Why is it that lUAL and lCAL can change management teams, enter into Section 6 and go through a merger and achieve ZERO? FAIL!

How can CAL have not been in bankruptcy for 2 decades, and Section 6 for years, yet achieve nothing? FAIL

Why are lCAL 777 pilots making $33 per LESS than Delta pilots? FAIL

Why are lUAL A320 pilots paid $38 per hour LESS than Delta pilots on the same airplane, yet have been out of bankruptcy longer? FAIL

Why are lUAL 747 pilots paid $36 per hour LESS than Delta pilots? FAIL

How much equity have the lUAL and CAL pilots achieved in their new company? Zero? FAIL

Instead, guys like Dexim want to turn guns and knives inward for personal political reasons. lCAL and lUAL are putting the fun into dysfunction! Yet BOTH groups have achieved....FAIL

The view of the politics from the sidelines is disgusting. Pierce, Morse, Kravit delivered nothing. FAIL

Is any learning taking place? Will Pierce and Hepner finally step up and lead the UniCal pilot group to success? Or will Smisek be trained by sophomoric conventioneer labor that he can run a separate operation and still deliver good financial results, all because he has a labor arbitrage?

That's right, UniCal labor is paying for those results and not reaping their share of the reward...because they'd rather fight turf wars with each other than come to a business solution.

FAIL

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My company is going into Section 6 soon. You guys are the largest "comparable" in the neighborhood. You're bringing my property value down. Fix it! Not with FIN or other stupid acts that earned you an injunction, but by stepping up and working together. PLEASE!
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Old 01-29-2012 | 09:07 AM
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Originally Posted by slowplay

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FAIL.

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Originally Posted by dexim

- CAL MEC Chairman testifies for company against UAL MEC in training lawsuit. Something about the UAL MEC wanting to much training.

- CAL MEC leadership sends out Email to CAL pilots explaining why they had to split with UAL MEC on training lawsuit. Something about pride, profession and the CAL way of life.

- CAL MEC Chairman accepts a company designed plan to give the CAL pilots Profit Sharing and leaving the UAL MEC with no way to negotiate for equal treatment under the TPA. Something about UAL MEC asking for to much.
You can't have Unity without integrity.
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Old 01-29-2012 | 09:41 AM
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Originally Posted by dexim
You can't have Unity without integrity.
Yup. When are you going to find yours?

I can make a similar list for the Morse/Kravit/Wallach split crowd. I can go back to the conduct of both MEC's at the last BOD. To what end?

You can't have unity when you keep firing inside the circle. You (dexim) enable Smisek everytime you post. You're costing me money.

Quit it.

Fix it. Get a contract. Raise the bar. You're hurting those outside your property.
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Old 01-29-2012 | 09:57 AM
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Originally Posted by slowplay
Yup. When are you going to find yours?

I can make a similar list for the Morse/Kravit/Wallach split crowd. I can go back to the conduct of both MEC's at the last BOD. To what end?

You can't have unity when you keep firing inside the circle. You (dexim) enable Smisek everytime you post. You're costing me money.

Quit it.

Fix it. Get a contract. Raise the bar. You're hurting those outside your property.
Let me get this straight - You want me to forgive Pierce. Let him dump of the UAL pilots again so you can get a pay raise. Sorry, NO!
What you can do is ask Pierce to apologize and promise not to do it again.
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