April 30th released date?
#21
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Well I'd love to see some pressure from our CAL bretheren on your MEC to get on board with this message. Clearly, things are NOT going well at the table. The JNC had to cancel a meeting the other week because the company didn't show up. The JNC update said this week that the company had retreated to teir stock 2010 position on work rules.... so 15 months of negotiations are now back to square 1. Heck, they are only meeting once a week!!!!!!! This is unacceptable. I'm VERY thankful that Capt Heppner has taken this step, as it is LONG overdue. I invite, request, and implore our brothers and sisters at CAL to draw the line in the sand and demand the contract we deserve. Otherwise, the pace of negotiations will continue at present levels. After 2 years, we have NO section of substance negotiated.
#22
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Well I'd love to see some pressure from our CAL bretheren on your MEC to get on board with this message. Clearly, things are NOT going well at the table. The JNC had to cancel a meeting the other week because the company didn't show up. The JNC update said this week that the company had retreated to teir stock 2010 position on work rules.... so 15 months of negotiations are now back to square 1. Heck, they are only meeting once a week!!!!!!! This is unacceptable. I'm VERY thankful that Capt Heppner has taken this step, as it is LONG overdue. I invite, request, and implore our brothers and sisters at CAL to draw the line in the sand and demand the contract we deserve. Otherwise, the pace of negotiations will continue at present levels. After 2 years, we have NO section of substance negotiated.
#23
Well I'd love to see some pressure from our CAL bretheren on your MEC to get on board with this message. Clearly, things are NOT going well at the table. The JNC had to cancel a meeting the other week because the company didn't show up. The JNC update said this week that the company had retreated to teir stock 2010 position on work rules.... so 15 months of negotiations are now back to square 1. Heck, they are only meeting once a week!!!!!!! This is unacceptable. I'm VERY thankful that Capt Heppner has taken this step, as it is LONG overdue. I invite, request, and implore our brothers and sisters at CAL to draw the line in the sand and demand the contract we deserve. Otherwise, the pace of negotiations will continue at present levels. After 2 years, we have NO section of substance negotiated.
#24
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Remember that Pierce said on 3/12 EXACTLY what the J(oint)NC put out less than a week later. The "J" means that your guys on the JNC Honeycutt(sp?) and Phil Otis also felt that things were going well as of late.
It was Heppner's message on 3/16 that was at complete odds with what had been recently put out by the CAL MC AND the JNC.
I like Heppners message on this, but BOTH SIDES need to get some comm discipline and put out ONE MESSAGE if they want the troops to fall in line instead of looking around saying ***!
There was no coordination on today's message between the MEC's from what my Rep just confirmed.
It was Heppner's message on 3/16 that was at complete odds with what had been recently put out by the CAL MC AND the JNC.
I like Heppners message on this, but BOTH SIDES need to get some comm discipline and put out ONE MESSAGE if they want the troops to fall in line instead of looking around saying ***!
There was no coordination on today's message between the MEC's from what my Rep just confirmed.
#25
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I don't think the jnc would make the decision. This is up to the MEC. Ominous is right.
#26
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Agree with the intent and need to push up negotiations pressure ( too slownand too long) but problem is that if you want CAL pilot support, then at least communicate your intentions to our elected reps...so they can be thumbs up or not and bring to the CAL pilots. Obviously, the MECs do not trust each other...otherwise why wouldnt you communicate a desire to pull out of negotiations and go solo? BTW, our position report stated it was R&I that the company retreated to a 2010 position. Did you guys get a different version from your side?
#27
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Walking out on a strike is a bit like being a new-guy in combat; you don't really know who the brave ones are until that first round comes snapping over your head. I'm going on the premise that there are enough brave on both sides that we will put up quite a picket line. Now is not the time to throw stones at each other
#28
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Walking out on a strike is a bit like being a new-guy in combat; you don't really know who the brave ones are until that first round comes snapping over your head. I'm going on the premise that there are enough brave on both sides that we will put up quite a picket line. Now is not the time to throw stones at each other
#29
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Walking out on a strike is a bit like being a new-guy in combat; you don't really know who the brave ones are until that first round comes snapping over your head. I'm going on the premise that there are enough brave on both sides that we will put up quite a picket line. Now is not the time to throw stones at each other
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