That's a tough one. Let see, if the number turns out to be 50% retro, say for example, than the pilot would get 50 cents on the dollar. Of course, since it's not going to be 100% percent retro, we can completely eliminate any math by calling it a signing bonus and that can be handed out equally to everyone.

 

The two concepts that I see missing in this conversation are those of “enabling” and “incentive.” By allowing anything less than 100% retro we are not only doing ourselves and our family a great disservice, we are enabling this crack addicted company to prolong future negotiations. We must give them an incentive not to repeat these delay tactics in the future. The only way I would entertain anything less than 100% retro would be if there were a clause in the contract that stated that at our next amendable date we received a 20% pay raise and an additional 10% every year thereafter. For those of you who believe that the company would never sign such a thing, then why should we? By allowing anything less than 100% retro we are doing just that.

For those of you who get your panties in a wad over semantics, I don’t give a rat’s arse if its called “retro,” “a signing bonus,” or any other label. It must be equal to what we have lost had we signed a contact on our amendable date. Anything less is feeding this crack ***** of a CEO.

 

That sir is right on the money!!!!!!!

 

Well one thing is for sure, a 70%-30% signing bonus split will insure I vote like this:

 

For those of you who forget, even a 100% retro agreement will never make us whole. Retirement funds, B-plan, money acrued in interest, additional taxes because of a larger lump sum payment.

These thing we will never recover. So, 100% retro is still feeding Jeff's ego. Anything less is giving into his greed and addiction. If I were king, I would have Jeff make penalty payments from his bonus to us for not having an ontime contract.

 

Hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha!

Can anybody make an EDUCATED guess on how long it would take to get to ORD on the Guppy if I go to CAL now? Seven minutes till the Bears play so hurry up.

 

Has anyone calculated what they think their retro pay would be using
snapshots of Delta pay rates during the years 2009 (LCAL), 2010, 2011, and 2012 instead of a straight line method of initial JCBA pay raise multiplied by the time since amendable dates? Could this explain where the 400 million figure came from during negotiations (if in fact that is the true amount agreed upon)?

 

$367,792 bc i was furloughed... not that ive been keeping track but ill settle out of court for a quarter mil :-)

 

Wadr but what DAL negotiated in the past should have no bearing on our retro. I'm expecting full retro in this contract plus an escalator clause to prevent this from happening again.

 

They are influential because no one is smart enough to show them who's boss. Basically, they do what Pierce tells them to do, and then convince the majority of the MEC to do it too. That's the first problem. Seocnd problem is no one holds pierce accountable.

If you disagree with that then you are clueless.