And there in lies a major problem with the L-CAL pilot's perception that there are two unions. ALPA is going to make sure no majority has enough dissatisfaction to attempt another decertification. Bend over.

 

To further that thought, it really doesn't matter what the L-CAL pilots think, or think they want. It is my belief that National ALPA will has a serious hand in looking over any proposal created by this painfully anti-labor, RLA governed process. Not that their (national ALPA's) ability to crystal ball the future is any better than the rest of us, but they need to insure that the majority (read L-UAL) of the pilot group is appeased, or risk certain death. They still have holes in the budget from the loss of the USairways Pilot's dues and are maneuvering like the Medici family to insure no larger group perceives injustice.

Where there's smoke there's fire. I think there may be some validity to the $400 million and 70% to L-UAL. Then throw in the persistent 50% in stock, a hold back until SLI rumor, make it the MEC's responsibility and you're Jeffed.

 

Looking like sli will be a dream compared to the more immediate job of deciding where bonus/retro goes and how it will be distributed.

Guess the old saying that a major pilot only cares about:
salary,
seniority,
and sex
but not necessarily in that order.

Cal/Ual might finally answer that order question.

 

where do the numbers come from?

why just 400 million?

Why do CA's get more than FO's. Heck, the FO's are doing all the damn work around here.

The FO's outnumber the Captains around here, so this won't fly, just on the numbers. No way would an FO vote for this. No way would an FO rep at the table vote for it either.

 

Why are you guys using the term "bonus"? I do not want a "bonus". (unless it's on top of my 100% retro check)
The term is "100% RETRO"!!!!!

R-E-T-R-O

Period

 

Just a thought, there are some folks, l-ual who fly 80-85 hours and then you have some that fly min hours or less - for whatever reason. Why should they all be "rewarded" the same? but then you have those who are on reserve who work their tails off for 70hrs of pay. I think the best way is a w2 based system but based on ALPA's history they will come up with some method that will screw us all.

 

Just a few things that come to mind when dealing with "Retro" vs "Bonus"

Tax Receivership Implications.....Missed/Post B-Fund Contributions to name just a few in any potential screw job by way of "Bonus".

Wave enough "$0's", there are certainly enough takers to garner 50.1% in any future TA vote......Pathetic.

God, I hope I'm wrong.

 

This has got to be one of the stupidest proposals i've heard yet. Base the retro on W-2?! It favors line holders, so those that are more senior. Also it favors Scabs: which I include those picking up trips while guys are on furlough or junior manning where they get additional hours of credit pay for taking a leg, turn, or trip. You must be one of these guys. Don't give me this garbage that reserve guys or low-time guys will be "rewarded" for getting an equal retro check. You are clueless.

 

It really depends on how big your own big issue is.

For me, my one big issue is scope. After that my one big issue is compensation, After that my one big issue is retro-pay.

All three of my "single issues" are important to me.

The new FAR's will take care of most of the domestic scheduling stuff combined with UAL's work rules. Our CAL-slaveship work-rules will thankfully go away.


But, like the abortion debate. It's either a live person in the womb or it's not. This contract will either be a POS or it won't. That single issue, is like so many other single issues. Black/white....whatever.............

ALPA better not screw me! How's that for a single issue?

 

Interesting.................you want the reserve guys who've been abused and had their tails worked off for 70 hours to be "rewarded" less than time *****s and those who do everything they can to pad their paychecks at the expense of their fellow pilots. This sounds like a particular type of very disliked pilot group we have at CAL......................and no, they didn't all cross the picket line, but they might as well have....................