Imapilot2

You sure these are the rates. I heard and of course its just from a friend I know but it was current DAL rates. These rates above are 5 an hour below our current 737 rates, not to mention way below 1/1/13. I am doubting this are correct.

datake

I'll complain too! That's a very general way of thinking. I hope the leaked pay rates are incorrect! Anything that is a penny less than Delta's 2013 rates is a NO for me. Just FYI, a Sim Instructor contracting for Boeing overseas earns a minimum monthly guarantee of $650/day x 70% of the month plus $100/day per diem. That equals over $17k/month as a Sim Instructor!!! Most earn way more. Domestically a sim instructor can easily earn 10k-15k/month. Gee let's see-No FAA medical required, no line checks, no fatigue, no passengers and you work about 3 to 5 hours a day. There's definitely something terribly wrong with US airline pilot pay rates!

timothyriley

Who is this idiot????

flybynuts

He's a scabtain. Ignore the ignorance.

Bluesky1

You're such a........ Your type should have never been allowed. Fred loves you.

Rocketiii

It's absolutely amazing to insult us with a 13% raise after a decade long concessionary loan! I know it's a 40% raise for United guys, but that is an insult to me. We (Continental) own scope. Giving it up doesn't bother he United guys since they already gave it up. So as a Cal guy, we get a drop in the bucket in return for giving up the scope we own and pay raises that match a competitor. All with no compensation for what we are giving up and gave up. And we are outvoted by a group that is hungry for a 40% raise and has crappy scope already. Thanks again for "buying" us and "saving" us..

Rocketiii

Hey scab, where is the return on our loan and where is the compensation for relaxing scope? Just because Delta pilots negotiated downward doesn't mean we are required to. We had a 99% strike vote and have no requirement to give up anything. Quit being a hind teat feeder and get some self respect.

LeeMat

Outvoted by a hungry group for a 40% raise! Are you serious?
There are CAL scabs on here saying that they are ok with this bull$hit pay scale and you are concern about L-UAL. We lost our pension and most work rules in BK. We have lived under a BK contract for 10 years.....Our contract 2000 rates were higher than what is on the table.....We have pilots on the streets and you think we will sell our souls for a few pieces of silver?
Please look at nothing more than scope and vote NO, I want every CAL pilot to vote no on scope. I believe there is enough on the other side to join you and vote this thing down....But you all most vote NO base on you scope language of 50 seats as a hard line.

tailwheel48

Actually iahflyr is something worse than a scab. He's a scab wannabe. He missed the strike and the quick upgrades at the expense of others, and he regrets that to this very day!

Captain Bligh

Jay Gags:

"We are all aware of the keen interest in the tentative agreement (TA) for the JCBA and the intense thirst for information about its content. I recognize that the continued need for patience by our pilots as we complete the complex task of language writing is difficult and frustrating. I also realize the importance of this agreement, which provides a path to bring us out of concessionary contracts and set the foundation for the new United pilots moving forward. As I have repeatedly stated, we are obligated to do everything within our power to do things carefully and correctly – for the best interests of our pilots. Unfortunately, as a result of an unbroken and regrettable chain of events, pieces of information about select contract points were released and posted on a public message board frequented by some of our pilots.

In fact, of late there have been several cases where information that, in order to comply with the NMB gag order, should not have been released publicly, yet has made its way out. Yesterday, part of the term sheet information on the lump sum negotiations was made public, without authorization. A few days earlier, preliminary wage rate data compiled for the union by ALPA E&FA was leaked. All of us have received many questions about the accuracy of the information.

We are still under a gag order, so I will only say this: The information on wages and the lump sum/retro payments is accurate but it is critically incomplete. The term sheet data published depicts a portion of ALPA’s position history, but it omits management’s positions. Nor does it include the often more salient discussions that were occurring in conjunction with negotiations. Additionally, the leaked wage rate data is incomplete, missing such information as negotiated 90-seat aircraft wages and A380 rates. What was published were term sheets that may or may not have been actually passed to the Company, and first-generation wage table information that we are developing for future use (when we are released from the gag order) in order to fulfill our transparency commitment to our members. Most troubling is that the net result of this leak is to potentially drive pilots to the very behavior that has proved to be damaging in the past. That is, to look at certain contract items out of context or independent of the rest of the contract. We must learn from history and recognize the importance of not repeating the mistakes of the past. How many times have we all heard how dangerous it can be, when evaluating a pilot contract, to look solely at the wage rate tables, for example? Our management has stuffed our V-files with this information before and I think we are all intelligent enough to recognize that in a contract with more than 20 sections and multiple LOA’s, context is essential. However, I am also enough of a realist to recognize that it is difficult to ignore the temptations that salacious tidbits like these leaks present.

I will be very frank with you. I am as frustrated with the gag order as you are and will continue to work to get released from its confines. I may be successful with that effort and I may not be. Regardless of the result, I recognize the very unfortunate fact that there are contrarians out there who, for whatever agenda, would like nothing better than to discredit this TA and those working on it. There is always a small segment of any population whose sole purpose is to wreak havoc and destruction. Our pilot group should and will see this contract - in its entirety. Our pilots should not be fed bits and pieces of information that are designed, on the one hand, to create doubt or on the other, to sell. The TA should and must be viewed in total to do justice by our pilots and I will do everything I can to make that happen as quickly as possible.

I do not believe it is important to outline the details of how or why these leaks occurred. One was the result, in part, of failures related to email technology. I take full responsibly for this unauthorized release of information occurring, as I should have created and supervised proper email protocols that would have stopped this chain of events at its infancy. I have no data on how the initial wage rate tables were leaked. What is important is that you, as a pilot, consider the dangers in succumbing to the lure of these leaks. The JNC is working harder than ever to complete their task of language writing to bring you the TA, and your union volunteers involved with SPSC and Communications are primed to give you the facts, with the Fact Team, town hall presentations, written materials and videos. You deserve to receive the complete information about the TA and to get the whole picture. It’s your future and your decision about the TA is too important to let others distract you with rumors, misinformation or information that is leaked by those with questionable motives.

I apologize for the leaks and once again take full responsibility for them. I urge and request your patience. We are getting close to completing this Herculean project and are working to provide you with accurate, complete information that you need to make an informed decision about the TA.

Capt. Jay Pierce
CAL MEC Chairman"