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02-25-2013 | 05:05 AM

#101

SoCalGuy

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From: Boeing's Plastic Jet Button Pusher - 787

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Originally Posted by APC225

=8. Time at LCAL doesn't count in the SLI process as they are new hires and are not recalled pilots.

You mean to tell me......
8 Apples + 1 Orange doesn't make 9 Pears?

You're spot on, that was made very clear early on prior to any of the "offers".....But you can't fault him for trying.

02-25-2013 | 05:06 AM

#102

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Originally Posted by DontPickIt

I imagine the 1998-2001 new hires at United had career expectations of flying for a profitable company with one of the top international route structures in the world and a fleet of large widebody aircraft and a fleet of extensive little single aisle jets too (like 757's, 737's, etc).

I imagine they did, but career expectations are not defined at some random high water mark in the 1990s but at the point of the merger in 2010. At that time United was not profitable and did not have a fleet of extensive single aisle jets. After selling its 737s to reduce costs and infuse much-needed cash, it was selling or hocking every spare bolt and was borrowing money at 18% rates because of its financial risk.

On 10/29/09 "United President John Tague told employees in a memo that getting rid of the 737 would "dramatically simplify our fleet and reduce our maintenance liability, significantly cutting the future investment required to maintain a modern fleet at United Airlines.""

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02-25-2013 | 05:18 AM

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Originally Posted by APC225

At that time United was not profitable and did not have a fleet of extensive single aisle jets.

I must admit you are making a strong case for the UAL wide body argument.

But seriously, L-UAL was operating 250 single-aisle aircraft in 2010---98 757s and 152 A319/320s.

02-25-2013 | 05:21 AM

#104

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Originally Posted by cadetdrivr

I must admit you are making a strong case for the UAL wide body argument.

But seriously, L-UAL was operating 250 single-aisle aircraft in 2010---98 757s and 152 A319/320s.

What about the quick/mass reduction in numbers surrounding the L-UA Guppy???

02-25-2013 | 05:25 AM

#105

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Originally Posted by cadetdrivr

But seriously, L-UAL was operating 250 single-aisle aircraft in 2010---98 757s and 152 A319/320s.

Yes, you are right. I should have specified the 737 fleet.

02-25-2013 | 05:56 AM

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What about the quick/mass reduction in numbers surrounding the L-UA Guppy???

You mean the parking of the Guppies when CAL and UAL began coordinating operations through a Joint Venture in the spring of 2009?

02-25-2013 | 06:14 AM

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You mean the parking of the Guppies when CAL and UAL began coordinating operations through a Joint Venture in the spring of 2009?

Didn't that start with the two failed US air merger attempts followed by you contract givebacks?

02-25-2013 | 06:39 AM

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Originally Posted by Maxepr1

Didn't that start with the two failed US air merger attempts followed by you contract givebacks?

April 2008, United and Continental break off merger talks. June 2008, United announces the parking of the 737 fleet and 747's. April 2009, United and Continental announce intent to cooperate extensively, linking their networks and services worldwide.

The 70 seat RJ fleet did not increase as a result of the Guppy fleet grounding. There was however, an influx of a different fleet into L-UAL hubs.

02-25-2013 | 06:43 AM

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Originally Posted by APC225

At that time United was not profitable and did not have a fleet of extensive single aisle jets.

Here we go. The WORST definition of "career expectations."

Nyah, nyah, you weren't profitable, so you get stapled.

What a bunch of B.S.

This is EXACTLY why replacing DoH with "career expectations" in the ALPA merger/frag policy was the biggest blunder in the last 75 years of ALPA. And why did it happen? Because UAL was trying to protect their widebody seats from USAir pilots in the failed merger proposition in the '90s.

Looks like that chicken is coming home to roost.

02-25-2013 | 06:46 AM

#110

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Originally Posted by Moby Dick

I think the biggest blunder was alpa allowing just about anyone into the union including those joining just to try to protect some seniority in the case of a merger.