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02-24-2013 | 06:49 AM
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Account for average and median longevity, then recalculate.
I waited four years for a cost of living raise from a concessionary contract, 40% retro (well, I'm still waiting for that), trip and duty rigs (admittedly important), a handful of tangible work rule improvements, and a bunch of other stuff that was negligible. Let's just say neither side got enough and leave it there. Anyone on either side arguing "career expectations" are going to significantly alter the SLI is probably going to be disappointed.
... and the CAL side got a far better overall contract improvement than the UAL side.
02-24-2013 | 09:44 AM
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From: Airbus
02-24-2013 | 12:11 PM
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From: A-320 Capt
Nice call with TOP (I grew up a couple of blocks from Oakland in the 70s). Unfortunately, their heyday was in the 70s (when "What is Hip" was released), proving James point about the 90s. I still say the 80s (IMO, the nadir of music over the last half century) were way worse than the 90s... but I liked the grunge evolution (AIC, Soundgarden, etc.).
I saw them at Yoshi's Oakland last month. They put on a million-watt show, tighter than a clenched fist.
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02-24-2013 | 01:00 PM
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02-24-2013 | 02:04 PM
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From: Cal reserve..the gift that keeps on giving
Just curious...why do you say that? If you are a 2000/2001 hire and have not so much "actual" time ON property, do you think you are entitled to be above another pilot with more "actual" time on property? Just remember, Enron WAS a great company in 2003.. Not so much now. Jmho
02-24-2013 | 03:19 PM
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Just curious...why do you say that? If you are a 2000/2001 hire and have not so much "actual" time ON property, do you think you are entitled to be above another pilot with more "actual" time on property? Just remember, Enron WAS a great company in 2003.. Not so much now. Jmho
02-24-2013 | 03:32 PM
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From: Right Seat
02-24-2013 | 03:34 PM
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Wow, these sli arguments never end and never change. If you really want some insight into how the list comes together, take a look at the Nic award. ALPA has spent millions of dollars and continues to spend to defend the Nic award. If you believe that they are going to produce a new award for cal/ual that is radically different from the Nic, you don't know ALPA. Personally, I haven't read the Nic award, as I have zero influence (as does everyone else on this forum) in the outcome of sli.
See you all on the other side of the list (hopefully from the left seat). That's a joke, relax.
See you all on the other side of the list (hopefully from the left seat). That's a joke, relax.
02-24-2013 | 03:35 PM
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We will all find out in the August timeframe I suspect.
And to those that think that pilots that have been furloughed don't have a career expectation, the top 500 pilots at United were all on furlough at one point, so they certainly had a career expectation.
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