SoCalGuy

Good for the CAL side on not for the UAL side? Now Steve, you do understand that we're constrained under the same UPA that was voted in late last year, right?

No Steve, just a line pilot who chooses the remained "informed". I actually take some time to read the informational emails, keep up with the changes that are taking place. After all, you do realize that we're in the process of completing a Merger?

In all seriousness Steve, just North Korea's 'lil Kim has been told.....A little less rhetoric, and a lot more constructive practice would better serve your purpose. To be frank, your bluster is old, tired, and ineffective.

Cheers

NFLUALNFL

From a wise man on another thread; works well for both shades of blue:

Originally Posted by oldmako
Simply inquire if your meal has been boarded as YOU board the plane. If the answer is in the neg make ONE call to ops to check on catering. If they drop the ball stroll into the terminal and secure food. Ignore watch and CSR. Remember to keep your receipt.

The more guys do this, the sooner the problem goes away.

Staller

Thanks for the kind words Dan.

Dave Fitzgerald

This will work with most domestic flights. However, BOS-SFO, DEN-HNL won't, block time some times exceeds 7 hours. SFO-SYD, certainly not, 14 hours. So, what to do? Make sure you get your food according to the contract, not according to management interpretation.

And as far as I have heard, no we have not given up anything on the meals, should have been day 1. Hotel committtee is working hard on the problem.

Regularguy

What's the problem with meeting crew 1 hour before departure? After 3 years of it I can tell you it establishes what kind of trip you will have very quickly.

Crew meals? It's contractual and important so just check your id and ask FA as you board during your brief if their there. If not do something to make it work.

Geeez

Regularguy

That's 35 not 3 years. BTW

SoCalGuy

DF-

Don't need to preach to the choir on this topic brother.....and I think "SpecialTracking" touched on this earlier in another thread.

Most Pilot's conduct a 'proper' preflight. It's unfortunate, but it now appears that the pre-flt routines now include the galley area to procure the presence of our UPA provided 'crew meals'. If lacking, a call to ops to rectify the situation is obviously in order.....If all the above does not render the required goods....."No Foody-No Pushy".....Terminal here we come. I understand this aligns with your 7hr/< example.

When looking at the Long-Haul runs that you suggested, I honestly find the solution just as simple.....If your a Capt, you don't push till the meals come.....Period. If your an FO, you insist that your not ready until the meal(s) arrive. If the Capt "pushes" you to go without the goods for some reason (have NEVER had this happen on L-H flight), a simple popping of the belts, and standing in the front galley should send a clear message to the CSR & the Capt that you're "really not ready" to go now till the situation is resolved.

It's been mentioned before, this is not a difficult avenue to take if the UPA required provisions are not supplied.

Agreed on several levels.....

There are A LOT of things that should/could have been implemented at DOS.

Dave Fitzgerald

Agreed. But as usual, like you said, preaching to the choir, with management out to lunch??

Regularguy

Viola!

"If your a Capt, you don't push till the meals come.....Period. If your an FO, you insist that your not ready until the meal(s) arrive. "

Never had a problem getting meals sent to the airplane because the UAL side has done this for the 35 years I've been employed there.

Oh and having been though the "harmonization" process in the 756 fleet last year any CAL Capt who says they don't have enough time to brief the FAs and about the required crew meals and show up at ops 1 hour before push is quite frankly... (fill in the blank).

pilotgolfer

The last few trips I've done, the Captains were real good about checking on the catering. It hasn't been an issue yet. My issue was with the captains who read the notice in CCS that flights are not to be delayed for addressing catering issues. They take it at face value that the company is being 100% accurate with regards to their contractual obligations.

As far as the one hour prior thing of meeting in Ops. I was told that made it into the FOM because a mgt pilot flew a line trip and couldn't figure out why he was all alone in the FPA at show time. I don't have much time at either carrier, but the only time I was critiqued on the L-UAL side for not waiting around OPs for the Captain...came from a new Captain who was coming off a widebody. That was the norm for the larger planes to brief everything to death and disect every little notam. It was not the norm on the NB fleet. If the weather was bad...who cares...you were still going. Put on more gas.

If they want us to check in at the FPA, thats fine. But in the last 2 months as a lineholder, I've never, ever flown with the same Captain for an entire trip. I've normally seen 2-3 and even as many as 4 different guys on a 4 day trip. I'm starting to think its me??