100% no.

You don't know me from Adam, but if you look at my brief history online you will find that a) I have changed my mind publicly b) apologized for false information and c) have always used facts with data that I post or link to support my reasoning.

I seek the truth and I pride myself on living a life wherein I work to "put myself in the other guy's shoes".

The SLI will be stovepiped Cat/Stat sorted somehow.
The CAL-MEC delayed the SLI because it benefited them.
The delay hurt UAL pilots.
If the CAL-MEC had simply followed logic we could be ahead of where we are today.


I understand CAL had lots of planes on order.
I understand UAL had been on a declining trend.
I understand we all want what's best for us as individuals.


I don't understand the incredible sense of entitlement CAL pilots show on APC. Not one humble voice supporting logic . . . not one.

If the arbs choose a stovepiped Cat/Stat I hope to God that the CAL posters on APC will come to their senses. We started with 694 planes and now we have 692 planes and CAL got lots of new planes and UAL got zero and that was because:

A) CAL was such a great company it could compete in NY against a combined DAL/NWA.
B) The merger of CAL and UAL made for a viable competitor to the new behemoth that was DAL/NWA.


I have no axe to grind. What I dream of is the day when you or any CAL pilot comes back and says: Cat/Stat was the most logical approach and UAL was a great partner.

I can start by saying I dreamed of the day the merger with CAL would be announced. I believe our combined fleet and route structure has the potential to kick butt, but so far all the CAL pilots I have met on APC want to take away my career expectations because they believe first that their company was going to grow without a merger because they had lots of planes on order and second that UAL was about to collapse if the merger had not occured. I do not believe either and I wait for a single CAL pilot to agree.

 

Your thinking logical? Oh come on now.... Maybe on that Super ego planet your living on... I'll go with prejudice and out of touch... Cool aide comment was directed at why you think some CAL guys voted yes... Maybe they voted yes to stop YOU from crying in your skirt about all the injustice you've had in your career? Looks like if they did vote that way it didn't work. Their bad. Yes I voted on the contract and guess which way..Hey CD you'll always be crying about something time to order a new skirt from M and H ....

 

Oh so the captains seats belong to YOU. Not our fault your side was stagnant with guys on the streets. Always looking for an easy way out aren't you? What mine is mine and what yours is mine should be on your signature line. Your thinking is down right scary.

 

I guess you don't fly to Hawaii....or out of Denver on a hot day.

It's a guppy and it's a PIG!

 

Max...There are 197 Guppy depts per day (in August) out of Den, Lax, Ord, and Iad...all traditional UAL bases. They may not be our Capt seats, but they should be OUR (CAL and UAL) Capt seats....if not for the 3 year delay. But yet ALL of those Capt seats today have Cal butts in them. SLI = RECTIFY. This is gonna be big.

Sled

 

And here's proof I do have a life.

The first photo is a new fish not yet described in literature that I helped discover and am currently caring for and the second photo is of wild huckleberries that I taught my teenage children to find in the woods today along with a lesson on how to create fire without matches and the third photo is my saltwater aquarium.

Amazingly enough some APC posters do have other lives!

 

^^^ Dude that's cool! ^^^

 

Don't forget some of the highest yield on the system, SNA!!

I have also flown SNA-IAD on the 757, try that in a Guppy, full.

 

Oh don't worry,

Three years from now we'll suspend service out of SNA due to poor yields. What a shock people would rather fly non stop..

Management will be baffled. Pilots will be negotiating pay and work rule cuts. Seen it all before.

 

Good post, with lots of middle ground. My post that you responded to wasn't really targeted at any one side, but both sides ... re-read it and you will see that I didn't mention CAL or UAL ... we all view facts in the vacum that is our perception ... however, with the SLI process, the end result, by definition, is now the fair and equitable solution, and it would be best for all to move on to the next fight TOGETHER ... and I understand that some won't do this, and that it may be harder for others to do so. But make no mistake, when the award is released publicly, that will be everyone's reality.

Now back to the regularly scheduled re-hashing:

My guess also ... start with a stovepiped Cat/Stat ... how many? I don't know, but propabaly more than 2 and less than 7. Then, instead of a 1 to 1 ratio, I think they will assign placement on a ratio somewhat resembling the total pilot ratio within those brackets (UAL to CAL) and for some of the brackets, they might add a longevity weight via a change to the ratio or a pull and plug ... but who knows except the 3 wise men.

This is the hardest to wrap my head around and find common ground. Yes, I agree with the assumption that any delay in the JCBA would benefit CAL pilots more than UAL pilots, but to place the blame SOLEY on the CAL side is total bull. We did not have any more sway than the UAL side did with management, the joint NC, nor the NMB ... nor did any of the external or internal factors change with respect to the negotiating environment ... place the blame on your MEC for a failure of their strategy, not on the CAL group for fighting for their pilots. It is starting to sound much like my 4 year hold who doesn't think it's fair when she doesn't get her way.

Within a week or two of both sides' direct case, I publicly stated (in an APC thread) that I didn't think the CAL proposal crossed the threshold of fair nor equitable; I have also stated many times that longevity should produce some value in the final award ... and I am a CAL guy, so there is one (and there have been others here on APC that have a moderate opinion) ... but if you expect everyone to only see one side of the coin, sorry, won't happen. And I find it very amusing that only CAL pilots have an incredible sense of _____ (fill in the blank) .