no, they will be using their ual seniority on the sli

 

This whole discussion about monthly bidding and seniority is kind of funny ... psst ... CAL PBS = seniority within feasibility.

 

Ha, you talk of unity, but continue to post idiotic, sophomoric and childish statements about your "union brothers" on the CAL side. The only unity you create is a strong desire of everyone from the CAL side to kick you in the ***.

Save us the rhetoric about your unity Carol, you hypocrisy is laughable.

 

They were all offered jobs and refused. They can't come back later and claim they are recalled out of order.

They have bypass rights. So it's not a big deal.

 

He should move up to 169 immediately. That's his seniority. It's instant. There isn't a phase in period.

 

The pre merger LCAL list won't be reordered. Those pilots aren't on the pre merger CAL list. So post merger they can and will be moved to the seniority the arbitrators decide.

Also, no recalls are being done out of order. Every single UAL furloughee has been offered a job back at United and they have had the opportunity. The pilots who are already on the property don't need to be recalled. They will be defacto recalled when the ISL is signed.

That's what SLI is for. Fixing this mess. Those pilots will IMMEDIATELY be in new seniority positions on the overall list and their BES.

 

I believe the lUAL pilots have to "accept" recall. They cannot be forced to take a recall. We have 2 jobs and 2 employee numbers. If you look at the list created by the CAL merger committee, the lUAL guys at CAL are on the list twice, with two numbers.
If we accept recall, we go to unfilled positions first, in seniority order. Since there are a bunch of unfilled guppy slots in IAH and EWR, I can't see a legal problem with "recalling in place". There are some pilots that will feel otherwise, and those can be dealt with through the grievance process.

At least that is how I see it. I have been wrong before.

"If a man speaks in the wilderness, and there is no woman to hear him, is he still wrong?"

 

I guess another permutation would be to accept recall, and get the same seat, but recall to another base.
Every furloughed UAL pilot was offered a new hire job at lCAL. The ones that declined - that was their choice.

I am not sure the recalls will be that messy. The big 756 bump is another matter. Recalling furloughees and bumping 800 pilots simultaneously. LMAO. Only at UAL.

I only see this whole thing going smoothly if the company just happens to get lucky. There is no way they are smart enough to get it right. Not in a million years.

 

Current lUAL pilots on the CAL side are recalled in place at ISL. They will all be able to bid anywhere on the system wide Vacancy bid that will follow ISL.

For UAL furloughees awaiting recall that have not gone to CAL, that should follow in seniority order by the amount of unfilled vacancies following the post SLI vacancy bid. Any leftover class slots can be filled from the new hire pool. Further recalls have to wait on unfilled vacancies and class slots.

As the Ual recalls have many years they can bypass, I expect some will continue to bypass based upon their current job and where they fall on the SLI list...

Also remember, all of these guys getting offered a job on the CAL side has no effect on the real recall process other than those that accepted the job are already on property for their "recall in place". Those off property just have to wait out the normal UAL vacancy bids and unfilled spots. I expect a huge amount of unfilled vacancies off the post SLI bid.

Admiral

PS just FYI on the 14-02a bid on the Cal side IAHFO 737 was more senior than 757/67 FO. Unfilled 757/67 spots.

 

All have been offered employment at UCH ... United Airlines has only offered jobs to about 350ish or so of the 1437 ... Your old United Airlines, and UAL Corp, are DEAD, DONE, GONE. So is my legacy airline and parent. Best path forward is together as UCH.