MEC meetings to discuss the ISL?
08-27-2013 | 02:19 PM
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Aug. 27, 2013
Last week we reported that the CAL and UAL MECs received word from the arbitrators that they are on track to complete the integrated seniority list (ISL), with the possibility of the award being released around the end of this week, at the earliest. Nothing has changed the arbitration panel’s timeline, with the caveat that there can be no guarantees that the ISL will be complete by month’s end.
We have been advised that a request for a temporary restraining order against the release of the ISL has been filed in U.S. District Court. A court hearing has been scheduled in Washington tomorrow to consider the request. At this point, we have no further information on the intentions of the court or whether there will be any potential for impact on the ISL award timing.
ALPA is addressing this issue and the CAL MEC continues with plans to be in session the latter part of this week, in the event that the arbitrators are completed with their task and issue the ISL. We will continue to keep you informed.
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08-27-2013 | 02:20 PM
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08-27-2013 | 03:11 PM
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08-27-2013 | 03:12 PM
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I would very much doubt that most of the L-Ual folks at L-Cal will be bidding their new positions for quite awhile. As much as you might wish it, doing so without a vacancy bid would be a defacto recall to the airline. A recall that would be out of seniority order and that is prohibited by every CBA that I have ever seen. In addition, the pilot(s),who are still on furlough, and senior would certainly have a cause of action against ALPA.
I think that your demand that these guys bid their new positions is way way out in left field.
Although I could be wrong.
I think that your demand that these guys bid their new positions is way way out in left field.
Although I could be wrong.
Let's use the example ofLCAL EWR 737 FO >> assume LUAL pilot Joe Schmuckatelli is bidding #269 based on his current TPA directed seniority. If, as a result of the ISL, First Officer Schmuckatelli is placed senior to 100 of the current EWR 737 FOs that are between #1 and #268, do you contend that he will have to wait for some future bid before exercising his ISL seniority within the EWR 737 FO list? Assume that all of those 269 pilots are trained and currently flying in that BES.
08-27-2013 | 03:22 PM
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I would very much doubt that most of the L-Ual folks at L-Cal will be bidding their new positions for quite awhile. As much as you might wish it, doing so without a vacancy bid would be a defacto recall to the airline. A recall that would be out of seniority order and that is prohibited by every CBA that I have ever seen. In addition, the pilot(s),who are still on furlough, and senior would certainly have a cause of action against ALPA.
I think that your demand that these guys bid their new positions is way way out in left field.
Although I could be wrong.
I think that your demand that these guys bid their new positions is way way out in left field.
Although I could be wrong.
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08-27-2013 | 03:22 PM
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Glad you mentioned that and speaking of new and reliable sCAL aircraft, the event below was going on while you were typing.
Karma? Or something about stones and glass houses?
Karma? Or something about stones and glass houses?
United Airlines' flight from Delhi makes emergency landing in Moscow
Over 260 passengers on an American airline flight from New Delhi to Newark were stranded at an airport here.
MOSCOW: Over 260 passengers on an American airline flight from New Delhi to Newark were stranded at an airport here today after the aircraft made an emergency landing because of a mechanical problem.
The United Airlines' Boeing 777-200 with 267 passengers and 16 crew landed at 3.50 am Moscow time. The malfunction of a central accumulator unit caused the emergency landing, Itar-Tass news agency reported.
The passengers were "fuming" at Domodedovo Airport after being stranded for hours without food or a place to sleep, said a report in The Moscow Times.
No one was injured in the landing and no visible damage was found to the aircraft, reports said.
After disembarking at Domodedovo's international terminal, the passengers were told they would have to wait until 11 pm for the plane to continue its flight to Newark in New Jersey.
The passengers became "frustrated" when the flight crew disappeared and United Airlines did not provide representatives to offer assistance, reports said.
Over 260 passengers on an American airline flight from New Delhi to Newark were stranded at an airport here.
MOSCOW: Over 260 passengers on an American airline flight from New Delhi to Newark were stranded at an airport here today after the aircraft made an emergency landing because of a mechanical problem.
The United Airlines' Boeing 777-200 with 267 passengers and 16 crew landed at 3.50 am Moscow time. The malfunction of a central accumulator unit caused the emergency landing, Itar-Tass news agency reported.
The passengers were "fuming" at Domodedovo Airport after being stranded for hours without food or a place to sleep, said a report in The Moscow Times.
No one was injured in the landing and no visible damage was found to the aircraft, reports said.
After disembarking at Domodedovo's international terminal, the passengers were told they would have to wait until 11 pm for the plane to continue its flight to Newark in New Jersey.
The passengers became "frustrated" when the flight crew disappeared and United Airlines did not provide representatives to offer assistance, reports said.
08-27-2013 | 03:25 PM
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There may be some miscommunication....
Let's use the example ofLCAL EWR 737 FO >> assume LUAL pilot Joe Schmuckatelli is bidding #269 based on his current TPA directed seniority. If, as a result of the ISL, First Officer Schmuckatelli is placed senior to 100 of the current EWR 737 FOs that are between #1 and #268, do you contend that he will have to wait for some future bid before exercising his ISL seniority within the EWR 737 FO list? Assume that all of those 269 pilots are trained and currently flying in that BES.
Let's use the example ofLCAL EWR 737 FO >> assume LUAL pilot Joe Schmuckatelli is bidding #269 based on his current TPA directed seniority. If, as a result of the ISL, First Officer Schmuckatelli is placed senior to 100 of the current EWR 737 FOs that are between #1 and #268, do you contend that he will have to wait for some future bid before exercising his ISL seniority within the EWR 737 FO list? Assume that all of those 269 pilots are trained and currently flying in that BES.
08-27-2013 | 03:26 PM
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But I do like the way you think.
08-27-2013 | 03:35 PM
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Glad you mentioned that and speaking of new and reliable sCAL aircraft, the event below was going on while you were typing.
Karma? Or something about stones and glass houses?
Karma? Or something about stones and glass houses?
United Airlines' flight from Delhi makes emergency landing in Moscow
Over 260 passengers on an American airline flight from New Delhi to Newark were stranded at an airport here.
MOSCOW: Over 260 passengers on an American airline flight from New Delhi to Newark were stranded at an airport here today after the aircraft made an emergency landing because of a mechanical problem.
The United Airlines' Boeing 777-200 with 267 passengers and 16 crew landed at 3.50 am Moscow time. The malfunction of a central accumulator unit caused the emergency landing, Itar-Tass news agency reported.
The passengers were "fuming" at Domodedovo Airport after being stranded for hours without food or a place to sleep, said a report in The Moscow Times.
No one was injured in the landing and no visible damage was found to the aircraft, reports said.
After disembarking at Domodedovo's international terminal, the passengers were told they would have to wait until 11 pm for the plane to continue its flight to Newark in New Jersey.
The passengers became "frustrated" when the flight crew disappeared and United Airlines did not provide representatives to offer assistance, reports said.
Over 260 passengers on an American airline flight from New Delhi to Newark were stranded at an airport here.
MOSCOW: Over 260 passengers on an American airline flight from New Delhi to Newark were stranded at an airport here today after the aircraft made an emergency landing because of a mechanical problem.
The United Airlines' Boeing 777-200 with 267 passengers and 16 crew landed at 3.50 am Moscow time. The malfunction of a central accumulator unit caused the emergency landing, Itar-Tass news agency reported.
The passengers were "fuming" at Domodedovo Airport after being stranded for hours without food or a place to sleep, said a report in The Moscow Times.
No one was injured in the landing and no visible damage was found to the aircraft, reports said.
After disembarking at Domodedovo's international terminal, the passengers were told they would have to wait until 11 pm for the plane to continue its flight to Newark in New Jersey.
The passengers became "frustrated" when the flight crew disappeared and United Airlines did not provide representatives to offer assistance, reports said.
08-27-2013 | 03:37 PM
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There may be some miscommunication....
Let's use the example ofLCAL EWR 737 FO >> assume LUAL pilot Joe Schmuckatelli is bidding #269 based on his current TPA directed seniority. If, as a result of the ISL, First Officer Schmuckatelli is placed senior to 100 of the current EWR 737 FOs that are between #1 and #268, do you contend that he will have to wait for some future bid before exercising his ISL seniority within the EWR 737 FO list? Assume that all of those 269 pilots are trained and currently flying in that BES.
Let's use the example ofLCAL EWR 737 FO >> assume LUAL pilot Joe Schmuckatelli is bidding #269 based on his current TPA directed seniority. If, as a result of the ISL, First Officer Schmuckatelli is placed senior to 100 of the current EWR 737 FOs that are between #1 and #268, do you contend that he will have to wait for some future bid before exercising his ISL seniority within the EWR 737 FO list? Assume that all of those 269 pilots are trained and currently flying in that BES.
So:
If these pilots are allowed to bid their new seniority they have in effect been recalled out of seniority. Prohibited by most if not all CBA's
Or:
If they have in fact not been recalled but are moved up to their new seniority then we are reordering the L-CAL list to accommodate them. Again, prohibited by most if not all CBA's.
We will have to see what the award contains to know the answer. If the arbitrators don't address the issues I'm sure any number of attorneys will.
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