CAL MEC Statement
09-07-2013 | 01:04 PM
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What most of you don't know about Delta and its jump seat policy is this:
It may seem to basically be un-fair right now, but at one time Delta did not let its pilots jump seat anywhere, except for check rides. Even ALPA JS committee had to fight tooth and nail to get something from Delta in the past.
The Delta tradition and almost a no-cummute policy was the rule for the old school managers.
It may seem to basically be un-fair right now, but at one time Delta did not let its pilots jump seat anywhere, except for check rides. Even ALPA JS committee had to fight tooth and nail to get something from Delta in the past.
The Delta tradition and almost a no-cummute policy was the rule for the old school managers.
09-07-2013 | 02:54 PM
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What happens at LUAL if 2 guys from the same class, hired on the same day, show up at the same time? Who gets the seat?
09-07-2013 | 04:31 PM
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When I was furloughed, my career expectations were forever altered; they got re-calibrated when I finally got recalled. When I got recalled, I went to the bottom of the list until the next guy showed up, then I moved up. It's been that way for just about every ALPA furloughee in history. Why are the UAL furloughees special; why shouldn't they get treated like just about every other furloughee in ALPA histroy? Sure, no windfall. Enjoy the "gift".
09-07-2013 | 04:45 PM
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NO WINDFALL ??? Excuse me, but a windfall is a windfall ... a quote from your MC: "the Board integrated an unprecedented number of furloughed pilots". Unprecented for sure ... rarely in the histroy of ALPA integrations have furloughed pilots been integrated above active pilots ... three or four times to be exact out of hundreds of arbitrations. The ALPA policy change enabled it, the three arbs delivered it, and the CAL pilots paid for it ... your windfall. If it makes you feel any better, call it a gift. And it will keep on giving ... your turn comes when UCH buys a regional carrier that happens to have a large number of high-longevity furloughed RJ Captains on their list ... it will be your turn to donate to the windfall gift.
When I was furloughed, my career expectations were forever altered; they got re-calibrated when I finally got recalled. When I got recalled, I went to the bottom of the list until the next guy showed up, then I moved up. It's been that way for just about every ALPA furloughee in history. Why are the UAL furloughees special; why shouldn't they get treated like just about every other furloughee in ALPA histroy? Sure, no windfall. Enjoy the "gift".
When I was furloughed, my career expectations were forever altered; they got re-calibrated when I finally got recalled. When I got recalled, I went to the bottom of the list until the next guy showed up, then I moved up. It's been that way for just about every ALPA furloughee in history. Why are the UAL furloughees special; why shouldn't they get treated like just about every other furloughee in ALPA histroy? Sure, no windfall. Enjoy the "gift".
I'd like to put this in perspective.
09-07-2013 | 04:57 PM
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NO WINDFALL ??? Excuse me, but a windfall is a windfall ... a quote from your MC: "the Board integrated an unprecedented number of furloughed pilots". Unprecented for sure ... rarely in the histroy of ALPA integrations have furloughed pilots been integrated above active pilots ... three or four times to be exact out of hundreds of arbitrations. The ALPA policy change enabled it, the three arbs delivered it, and the CAL pilots paid for it ... your windfall. If it makes you feel any better, call it a gift. And it will keep on giving ... your turn comes when UCH buys a regional carrier that happens to have a large number of high-longevity furloughed RJ Captains on their list ... it will be your turn to donate to the windfall gift.
When I was furloughed, my career expectations were forever altered; they got re-calibrated when I finally got recalled. When I got recalled, I went to the bottom of the list until the next guy showed up, then I moved up. It's been that way for just about every ALPA furloughee in history. Why are the UAL furloughees special; why shouldn't they get treated like just about every other furloughee in ALPA histroy? Sure, no windfall. Enjoy the "gift".
When I was furloughed, my career expectations were forever altered; they got re-calibrated when I finally got recalled. When I got recalled, I went to the bottom of the list until the next guy showed up, then I moved up. It's been that way for just about every ALPA furloughee in history. Why are the UAL furloughees special; why shouldn't they get treated like just about every other furloughee in ALPA histroy? Sure, no windfall. Enjoy the "gift".
09-07-2013 | 05:01 PM
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NO WINDFALL ??? Excuse me, but a windfall is a windfall ... a quote from your MC: "the Board integrated an unprecedented number of furloughed pilots". Unprecented for sure ... rarely in the histroy of ALPA integrations have furloughed pilots been integrated above active pilots ... three or four times to be exact out of hundreds of arbitrations. The ALPA policy change enabled it, the three arbs delivered it, and the CAL pilots paid for it ... your windfall. If it makes you feel any better, call it a gift. And it will keep on giving ... your turn comes when UCH buys a regional carrier that happens to have a large number of high-longevity furloughed RJ Captains on their list ... it will be your turn to donate to the windfall gift.
When I was furloughed, my career expectations were forever altered; they got re-calibrated when I finally got recalled. When I got recalled, I went to the bottom of the list until the next guy showed up, then I moved up. It's been that way for just about every ALPA furloughee in history. Why are the UAL furloughees special; why shouldn't they get treated like just about every other furloughee in ALPA histroy? Sure, no windfall. Enjoy the "gift".
When I was furloughed, my career expectations were forever altered; they got re-calibrated when I finally got recalled. When I got recalled, I went to the bottom of the list until the next guy showed up, then I moved up. It's been that way for just about every ALPA furloughee in history. Why are the UAL furloughees special; why shouldn't they get treated like just about every other furloughee in ALPA histroy? Sure, no windfall. Enjoy the "gift".
09-07-2013 | 05:05 PM
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09-07-2013 | 05:14 PM
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It's all so complicated...
09-07-2013 | 05:19 PM
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The answer to the highlighted sections are obvious. The UAL furloughed are United pilots and have a right to be treated like all UAL pilots. JP and your MEC sold you an over-reach and built up false hopes disregarding ALPA merger policy. The arbitrators issued a ruling based on that policy. Your side came out on the short end of the ruling. Get over it and move on. You'll be better off in 5 years than you would have ever been at a stand alone CAL.
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