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Old 07-13-2014 | 03:19 PM
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Originally Posted by UAL T38 Phlyer
Nine times 120 - All Pilots at the Company!!
Huh? 9x120 = 1,080 Pilots.
1,080/ 12,600 = 8.5% of all pilots.

This is about right and what we saw in the late 90s on the UAL guppy fleets.
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Old 07-13-2014 | 04:50 PM
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Originally Posted by Probe
I also looked at the BAT as abrogation of seniority. Everyone should have been able to bid those positions.
Why?
I'm not saying I'm happy about this, but how is this so different than merging the two lists in the cities which have both 76t and 756?

There wouldn't be a vacancy, they would just merge the lists.

BUT there was a vacancy for anyone who really wanted it... As I recall 100 76t FOs a month or two ago? Voluntary BAT to the 756 was always an option from that point.
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Old 07-13-2014 | 09:37 PM
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Originally Posted by TaylorB
Why?
I'm not saying I'm happy about this, but how is this so different than merging the two lists in the cities which have both 76t and 756?

There wouldn't be a vacancy, they would just merge the lists.

BUT there was a vacancy for anyone who really wanted it... As I recall 100 76t FOs a month or two ago? Voluntary BAT to the 756 was always an option from that point.
Because they didn't merge the two lists. They are officially two separate categories.

I am personally not upset about this, as it did not affect me. But it affected someone.
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Old 07-15-2014 | 02:02 PM
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Award is published EWR 76t to 756 --
FOs: 27 voluntary bids & 63 involuntary
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Old 07-15-2014 | 03:00 PM
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Originally Posted by TaylorB
Award is published EWR 76t to 756 --
FOs: 27 voluntary bids & 63 involuntary

Brutal.......Every single new hire to the 76T since new hires started being given the plane displaced to the 756. Say goodbye to the days of a new hire holding a line.
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Old 07-15-2014 | 03:08 PM
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also 10 more EWR 76T CAs took a BAT so that now leaves 23 in base. Makes me wonder if they are just going to shut the base down and run all the 767-300 flying as a W through other bases. They already found a way to reroute the PS flying through other bases and there is no domestic.
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Old 07-15-2014 | 04:22 PM
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Originally Posted by MasterOfPuppets
Brutal.......Every single new hire to the 76T since new hires started being given the plane displaced to the 756. Say goodbye to the days of a new hire holding a line.
And you expected to hold a line on a 67 as a new hire? Funny stuff.
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Old 07-15-2014 | 05:39 PM
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Originally Posted by 757Driver
Why on earth did the Union agree to this seniority abrogating procedure anyway? Seems to me that if you're on either of these two aircraft, (76T & 756), you get the best of both worlds. Full participation in our regular vacancy bids AND these private BAT ones. Guys on the A320 & the 737 would like a shot at these slots as well but are locked out. Absolute horse-****
There is not a net gain or loss in BAT. If there was, there would be vacancies or displacements for all to bid. It's as if the fleet were one... the decrease in 76T = the increase in 756. No change.
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Old 07-15-2014 | 06:44 PM
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Originally Posted by jsled
There is not a net gain or loss in BAT. If there was, there would be vacancies or displacements for all to bid. It's as if the fleet were one... the decrease in 76T = the increase in 756. No change.
Still BS. Why not let the 76T guys get displaced and hold anywhere their relative seniority would fall and EVERYBODY bid on the 756 openings.

Trust me when I tell you this isn't a CAL only gripe as quite a few Airbus types are ****ed about it as well.
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Old 07-15-2014 | 10:33 PM
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My point exactly. ALPA agreed to this.
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