That's what I thought as well but wasn't sure if the 90 days for training still applied. Yeehaw for more training.

 

You must be on the 76T and feel that your BAT status will protect your relative seniority for a couple years until the SL gets aligned with desires. As far as ALL BAT Captains being Captains, the same could be said for the 737 and 320 Captains.

Let's take the 320 EWR Captain. He's been locked out of the 756 and 76T for over 3 years. He'd like to bid the 756 because it includes the 767-400 that pays the same as the 747/777/787 but can't because ALPA and the company decided his seniority doesn't count. If they can take seniority away from one they can/will take it away from others. I didn't say they were upgrading out of seniority YET - give them time and the right arbitrator see what happens. BAT violates seniority and when you do it once why not do it all the time?

It would be interesting to see what we(ALPA) got from the company for BAT. Was it one of those PW back-room deals? And you can't assume that the people on the 737 and 320 are junior to the 76T or 756 because many on both airplanes can hold 747/777/787 but hey, you got yours. Carry on..........

 

320 EWR Captains have been locked out ??? Are you smoking crack? There have been 40- 756 CAP awards and 102- 756/76T FO awards since MAY!!! Go look at vacancies 14-08, 14-10, and 14-11. It's like I said, if there are net gains, there are vacancies for ALL to bid. And many outside of the 756/76T fleets have bid them (including EWR 320 CAPs). As for me, I've already said I have NOT taken a BAT, but could have. It's not about me. I just get it, meaning I understand it, and I have no problem with it.

 

I looked at the bids you suggested and best I can tell it was only 10 756 CAP in EWR. Over that period there has a been about 40 756 CAP move to EWR of that 30 were BAT and only 10 were actual 756 CAP EWR bids. You can work your fuzzy math and come back with the number to justify your argument but let's stick to the EWR 756 BIDS when you do. Dates and numbers of the award would be nice.

I think I remember these same words being uttered before "It's not about me. I just get it, meaning I understand it, and I have no problem with it." And you couldn't be farther from the truth. You give up seniority once and it's lost forever. BAT was about the company and not about the pilots or pilot seniority.

 

The 737 is not being transitioned into the 320. Nor could it be. Let's not be silly.

 

You said Ewr 320 Capts have been "locked out of the 756". I'm telling you there have been 40 756 Cap VACANCIES since May (in all bases). Nothing fuzzy about it. Nobody's been locked out of jack sheet. The 40 vacancies were open for all to bid.

 

Didn't say that - now who's being silly? If you want to disrespect the 737 and 320 Captains, have at it but keep in mind that many of them are senior to you and will take their seniority back after your little carve out ends.

BAT lost it's right to be considered a lateral when we allowed the 767-400, which is common to the 756 fleet, to be pay banded to the 747/777/787. Tell us again what the win for ALPA and ALL United pilots was again.... Please!

Yes, JH agreed to BAT and you should enjoy your little carve-out, but don't expect high-fives from the guys that have been wronged.

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Ok sled but next time will you carve something out for the rest of us???

 

Bat is no carve out. It allows 76T and 756 pilots to exercise their seniority within the (soon to be one) fleet. Period. Don't like it? Tuff sheet. It's got ALPA's endorsement. In any case I'm done with you and your foolishness. Nobody's been "locked out" of vacancies, but that doesn't stop you from saying it. Just the facts, ma'am.

 

Why are so many of the 756 trips to Europe 4 day trips and not 3 day trips?

Are they straight (basic) crews and then need more rest?

 

Lack of Class 1 rest facility on the 75's and 76's, unaugmented to uk basically far 117