oldmako

1. Limit short call assignments per day to something reasonable. There is no reason to have 4-12 guys per day on SC, especially on the NB fleets.

2. Limit short calls per month, or increase pay for them over some value. Right now, its a free for all, for the company.

3. Increase call out by one hour for SC. 2.5 hours in most of our domiciles is crazy tight. UA managed to do it for years with a 4.0, what has changed? Well, for one thing, traffic has gotten worse.

4. Incentivize SC's and FSB's for the guys who live close to the drome and make it worth their while to snag them. OR

5. Build dedicated SC and LC lines. SC guys get more pay and / or additional days off in exchange for their additional hassle. Win win for those in base and commuters.

6. Promulgate language preventing SC's on Day 1, and Day last of a string unless some minimal level of coverage is reached. That's what the original LC/SC was created for, and it seemed to work just fine. A guy on his last day of a stretch getting a SC assignment in the afternoon is just punitive BS. Same thing for the Day 1 guy being assigned a 0200 SC when there are several other guys already on SC.

These are just a few examples of things we had in the past. As far as the seniority "choice" argument, I have been bumped to reserve at least 4 times in my career. You may be sitting fat now, but don't bank on it. Just look at the musical chairs approach to staffing the company has embraced since the merger.

jsled

For comparison... (from pay rates off of APC)

B737...our biggest fleet by far will pay $243/hr for topped out Captain in Jan 2016.
That's 12% higher than DAL. 6.5% higher than AMR...and they have NO profit sharing.

FedEx's new contract currently pays $287/hr for WB. This Extension takes us to $305/hr in Jan '16 or 6% above.

Industry leading pay? No question about it. And a rumored DAL "ME TOO" clause in case those boys get something better? Sheeeooooot. That's Brilliant.

Furloughees made whole? Remember all the no votes on the contract because of LOA25? This appears to rectify that BS.

Gotta wait and see what the MEC does, and get the 'no rumor' details, but this looks GOOD. I'm not gonna lie. Kuddos to the NC. And yes...I am on RSV. DEEP DEEP RSV.

Sled

DashTrash

If there are no improvements to reserve and the rest of the rumors are true, then I am a staunch NO vote. As one of the five main pillars of this negotiation, I believe that it should have been addressed in some way. It appears that it wasn't though. Unacceptable!!! It's great that our furloughees are going to be made whole, but that is a small part of this pilot group. So as a junior pilot, the only thing that we get out of this deal is pay rates and to be worked harder because of FMRS concessions (presumably), and reduced career progression.

svergin

Reserve is a self-inflicted scenario for every pilot except new hires. Pilots want to chase the money, and bid the highest paying position possible with the hope that they will get off reserve fast and when that doesn't happen they complain about how bad reserve is and how they demand QOL and they are all about QOL and not pay. They want their cake and want to eat it too. If QOL is so important then bid to something you can hold a line on. If you are a commuter that is self-inflicted as well. The major problem I am reading is about how terrible reserve is blah blah blah. These people should just accept the pay raise and downbid to something they can hold a line on. Their pay will be the same as it is now and they will hold a line so a better QOL. My guess is they would take the pay raise anyway and then NOT change seats demanding improvements in reserve.

Which proves that the $$ is really more important than the QOL for them. I predict passage by 65% but 95% of pilots will claim they voted against it.

APC225

You miss the entire point of decent reserve rules. Even if it's "self-inflicted" for all but new hires, by dumping crappy QOL of new hires you welcome them into your pilot group with a great big slap in the face. When it comes time for unity in contract vote or any other union effort they return the favor. Since the senior pilots hosed them, they see no reason to stand with them. And, since everyone is a new hire at some point, you eventually create a group of pilots that despise anyone senior to them and, as in any abusive relationship, now feel it's ok to dump on anyone junior to them.

Also, next time there's a 10% furlough of the pilot group, you'll see non-"self-inflicted" commuters and non-"self-inflicted" reserves all over the place, and they won't be new hires. Times are good now, but they will get ugly again. It's cyclical. They always do.

SteelerNation

Your analysis is spot on...

MasterOfPuppets

Somebody has to be reserve on every fleet in every domicile and every seat. So who do you propose sit reserve 747 CA in LAX? A new hire? Those sub 1000 number guys are morons for self inflicting themselves to reserve. They should go be 737 CAs and stop *****ing!

This you did it to yourself argument holds no water and is being thrown out by pilots that only care about dollars. Probably the same ones that ***** themselves out for SRM then "accidently" leave a print out of their pay register sitting next to the computer in the crew room.

G-Line CA at UA is 20 years in the junior base. G-line FO on a widebody is CA seniority. Congrats on living in base and being senior but don't throw every pilot below you under the bus for a couple grand a month.

svergin

Lots of pilots that live in base would sit happily on reserve can't hold the position because some pilot who commutes upbid as fast as possible for the $$ and is now complaining about how terrible reserve is.

So we vote this down. Then what if it takes 3 years to get a contract and we still don't fix reserve, but we just get the same pay raises that we could get now but we get them in 3 years? Voting no would be a frustration vote and nothing else. There are no concessions in this deal apparently. Just improvements. I think a lot of us would like the guaranteed something now vs the unknown maybe something maybe not in 3 more years. Either way the next deal could take 5 years ALA Southwest whether we take this or not. I'd rather be sitting here in 5 years with pay raises than sitting around with the same deal we have now wondering why we didn't take the deal and I voted NO on the current contract.

SteelerNation

[QUOTE=svergin;2014752]Reserve is a self-inflicted scenario for every pilot except new hires.

Tell that to people in IAH or SFO that were line holders, or the countless others across our industry that gets downgraded or displaced. You must have lived a charmed life to have such an attitude towards others...

Pro2nd

Well put!

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