Originally Posted by svergin

Lots of pilots that live in base would sit happily on reserve can't hold the position because some pilot who commutes upbid as fast as possible for the $$ and is now complaining about how terrible reserve is.

So we vote this down. Then what if it takes 3 years to get a contract and we still don't fix reserve, but we just get the same pay raises that we could get now but we get them in 3 years? Voting no would be a frustration vote and nothing else. There are no concessions in this deal apparently. Just improvements. I think a lot of us would like the guaranteed something now vs the unknown maybe something maybe not in 3 more years. Either way the next deal could take 5 years ALA Southwest whether we take this or not. I'd rather be sitting here in 5 years with pay raises than sitting around with the same deal we have now wondering why we didn't take the deal and I voted NO on the current contract.

Originally Posted by DashTrash

If there are no improvements to reserve and the rest of the rumors are true, then I am a staunch NO vote. As one of the five main pillars of this negotiation, I believe that it should have been addressed in some way. It appears that it wasn't though. Unacceptable!!! It's great that our furloughees are going to be made whole, but that is a small part of this pilot group. So as a junior pilot, the only thing that we get out of this deal is pay rates and to be worked harder because of FMRS concessions (presumably), and reduced career progression.

Originally Posted by MasterOfPuppets

Wow you're scared to death aren't you? How much debt are you in that you need money this bad?

Originally Posted by svergin

Lots of pilots that live in base would sit happily on reserve can't hold the position because some pilot who commutes upbid as fast as possible for the $$ and is now complaining about how terrible reserve is.

So we vote this down. Then what if it takes 3 years to get a contract and we still don't fix reserve, but we just get the same pay raises that we could get now but we get them in 3 years? Voting no would be a frustration vote and nothing else. There are no concessions in this deal apparently. Just improvements. I think a lot of us would like the guaranteed something now vs the unknown maybe something maybe not in 3 more years. Either way the next deal could take 5 years ALA Southwest whether we take this or not. I'd rather be sitting here in 5 years with pay raises than sitting around with the same deal we have now wondering why we didn't take the deal and I voted NO on the current contract.

Originally Posted by El10

Not sure what the wording was of the letter. It could have been that the company wanted changes to reserve and we said "no" to making it worse. At this point we just do not know and will have to wait and see.

Originally Posted by MasterOfPuppets

Also, Putting reserve enhancements as 1 of the 5 bullet points then supposedly not fixing a thing is absolutely a concession.

Had ALPA and the company not put reserve enhancements as a topic of descussion no one would be complaining about it right now. Don't tell us you are going to fix something then do nothing and expect a yes vote.

Originally Posted by svergin

If reserve is such a big priority, why didn't we demand fixing it now?

Originally Posted by svergin

Obviously I don't need the money as bad as the people who left their lineholding positions and upbid to this terrible reserve system for the $$. If reserve so bad why upgrade and be on it? People on reserve are about 15% of the airline. If reserve is such a big priority, why didn't we demand fixing it now? Why did we vote this current system in? What makes you think we will have enough interest in changing it in 6 months?

Originally Posted by svergin

You are on reserve still, but now on reserve for 16% more $. Is that considered an "enhancement"?

Originally Posted by APC225

"We"--as in a lot of reserves filing PDRs and contacting our reps--did. Our negotiators have completely forgotten what is like to fly a line, much less be on reserve.