Investor call and fleet speculation
01-20-2017, 08:46 AM
#41
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Originally Posted by ReadyRsv
Coming from the regional world, United wasn't concerned with anything but being cheap. It showed.
01-20-2017, 04:25 PM
#42
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Joined APC: Jul 2015
Position: Skeptical
Posts: 737
Check out Kirby's comments from the ORD update in today's FOU:
So much for us getting a small narrow body...
What are your thoughts on small jets?
We grow the mainline by growing regional feed. Average airfare is 50 percent lower than it was 30 years ago. Regional growth will occur in smaller, underserved cities that cannot support mainline flights.
The additional feed of 15 passengers to 600 flights is the difference between world-class profits and losing money. UA shouldn't fly RJs in competitive markets. EWR-ATL was an example.
Comparing UA and Southwest in DEN: Our schedules make no sense. There is no late bank in DEN and the resulting impact for our business travelers is huge.
What about small jets being flown by mainline line pilots?
The economics just don't work right now. Nor does it work for 100 seat aircraft. We basically need to spread mainline costs over the greater number of seats in the bigger airplanes.
We grow the mainline by growing regional feed. Average airfare is 50 percent lower than it was 30 years ago. Regional growth will occur in smaller, underserved cities that cannot support mainline flights.
The additional feed of 15 passengers to 600 flights is the difference between world-class profits and losing money. UA shouldn't fly RJs in competitive markets. EWR-ATL was an example.
Comparing UA and Southwest in DEN: Our schedules make no sense. There is no late bank in DEN and the resulting impact for our business travelers is huge.
What about small jets being flown by mainline line pilots?
The economics just don't work right now. Nor does it work for 100 seat aircraft. We basically need to spread mainline costs over the greater number of seats in the bigger airplanes.
01-20-2017, 04:31 PM
#43
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Originally Posted by Winston
Check out Kirby's comments from the ORD update in today's FOU:
So much for us getting a small narrow body...
So much for us getting a small narrow body...
What am I missing?
There's nothing new here. Over the next 2 years you'll hear the management d'jour cry out about how we's be able to rule the industry if only they had scope relief. It'll have been 20 years since the RJ Exception Letter of 1998, and United Pilots are still suffering from it. I hope we don't make the same mistake twice.
01-20-2017, 04:34 PM
#44
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Originally Posted by awax
It's funny how UAL pilots get excited about SNB on the mainline property. The rates, the scope choke, all of it was just a protective measure not a prescriptive one. The scope language is far more valuable to our careers than an actual fleet of NextGen RJs.
What am I missing?
What am I missing?
01-20-2017, 04:40 PM
#46
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Originally Posted by Winston
Check out Kirby's comments from the ORD update in today's FOU:
So much for us getting a small narrow body...
So much for us getting a small narrow body...
But southwest makes it work with 737-700's, American with a ton of 319's, delta with 717's and cseries? And we dither in the mean time?
Last edited by UAL T38 Phlyer; 01-20-2017 at 07:14 PM. Reason: Fixed the quote
01-20-2017, 05:56 PM
#48
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Originally Posted by Terrain Inop
We're going to make up the difference with higher utilization. Our planes don't fly enough, speaking from a domestic perspective, no clue on the international front.
01-20-2017, 07:13 PM
#49
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Position: 320 Captain
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Originally Posted by awax
What's our average daily utilization for 737 vs 320? What data are you using for comparison?
United Airlines Reports Full-Year and Fourth-Quarter 2016 Performance
Average daily utilization of each aircraft (hours)
10:06 (2016)
10:24 (2015)
(2.9)
One can use this site to see how we stack up
Airline Data Project
01-20-2017, 10:04 PM
#50
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Originally Posted by C11DCA
From the 4th quarter press release:
United Airlines Reports Full-Year and Fourth-Quarter 2016 Performance
Average daily utilization of each aircraft (hours)
10:06 (2016)
10:24 (2015)
(2.9)
One can use this site to see how we stack up
Airline Data Project
United Airlines Reports Full-Year and Fourth-Quarter 2016 Performance
Average daily utilization of each aircraft (hours)
10:06 (2016)
10:24 (2015)
(2.9)
One can use this site to see how we stack up
Airline Data Project
EDIT: I checked the link for wide bodies and I'm not even close. I know that every leg I fly is at least 13 hours long and the jet sits on the ramp for no more than 3 hours. That number is sure to go up when the whales get parked!
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