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07-26-2019 | 01:17 PM
#21
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UPS is a phenomenal job, I wouldn't quit, just trying to understand current practices. TIA.
07-26-2019 | 01:20 PM
#22
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From: Leftof longitudinal
But logic often matters little in these decisions
07-26-2019 | 01:22 PM
#23
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Thanks. I understand you bid by age. What I am specifically asking is that recently the company was curtailing the contract by creating separate new hire classes in which they ONLY offered the 747. They did this with 747-time pilots, is this still a practice that is happening.
UPS is a phenomenal job, I wouldn't quit, just trying to understand current practices. TIA.
UPS is a phenomenal job, I wouldn't quit, just trying to understand current practices. TIA.
07-26-2019 | 01:34 PM
#24
Thanks for the jumpseat!
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From: MD-11 galley operator
You could just stomp your feet, cry or ask for a mental health day and Im sure you wont have to worry about it.
07-26-2019 | 01:41 PM
#25
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If not current, then a 50/50 case, could end up in 75/76 or A300 if current a/c is similar to these a/c.
UPS still starting classes a day apart to manage the placement of crews where they desire maximum experience. They did this 20+ years ago as well, maybe a week apart back then, but was same strategy.
07-26-2019 | 03:04 PM
#26
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Pricing is a wildcard, but an equal wildcard IMO is density of aircraft (less than 40 A330 freighters worldwide). AOG and parts become a real reliability issue to be resolved. Bigger wildcard, why introduce a new fleet at this point. The MD's will last long enough to allow a network built around 767s and 74's that would compete successfully against 777/767 networks. 767's are a productive moneymaker. Will be supported for decades thanks to USAF and Purple new production as well as current orders at UPS. Link that with no new fleet introduction requirements, no new sim types, no original vacancy bids and have best package with eliminating MD and replace with combo 74/76 network at best network and labor cost.
But logic often matters little in these decisions
But logic often matters little in these decisions
07-26-2019 | 03:19 PM
#27
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Thanks. I understand you bid by age. What I am specifically asking is that recently the company was curtailing the contract by creating separate new hire classes in which they ONLY offered the 747. They did this with 747-time pilots, is this still a practice that is happening.
UPS is a phenomenal job, I wouldn't quit, just trying to understand current practices. TIA.
UPS is a phenomenal job, I wouldn't quit, just trying to understand current practices. TIA.
Ooookay.
I don’t like THAT schedule. Is that all FedEx has? I don’t want to spend my career doing 40 minute flights to IND and back. That sounds awful, so I shouldn’t go to FedEx??
I like international long haul flights, transcons, long layovers... Have flown years of heavy freight and have four internal LORs, I think I have a grip on the schedules and lifestyle.
I don’t like THAT schedule. Is that all FedEx has? I don’t want to spend my career doing 40 minute flights to IND and back. That sounds awful, so I shouldn’t go to FedEx??
I like international long haul flights, transcons, long layovers... Have flown years of heavy freight and have four internal LORs, I think I have a grip on the schedules and lifestyle.
07-26-2019 | 04:23 PM
#28
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Joined: Jan 2013
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Sorry to the people who seem to think I’m whining. I’m sorry for trying to plan out my family’s life BEFORE changing airlines. If gaining information on class placement is frowned upon then perhaps a LOT of threads should be closed down. I’ve flown cargo for years, love it, but do not want to be based in ANC, is that a problem or something?
UPS has a history of flagrantly circumventing the contract in this particular regard (from what i am told) and I’m simply asking if they are still doing it. Perhaps be upset with that instead of someone only asking if they are still doing it so they can consider employment before coming over.
I just wanted to know if I’d get the 747 and be seat locked 4000 miles from home for 18 months...
UPS has a history of flagrantly circumventing the contract in this particular regard (from what i am told) and I’m simply asking if they are still doing it. Perhaps be upset with that instead of someone only asking if they are still doing it so they can consider employment before coming over.
I just wanted to know if I’d get the 747 and be seat locked 4000 miles from home for 18 months...
07-26-2019 | 04:24 PM
#29
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If current in 747, chances increase will be placed in a class that only has the 747 choice.
If not current, then a 50/50 case, could end up in 75/76 or A300 if current a/c is similar to these a/c.
UPS still starting classes a day apart to manage the placement of crews where they desire maximum experience. They did this 20+ years ago as well, maybe a week apart back then, but was same strategy.
If not current, then a 50/50 case, could end up in 75/76 or A300 if current a/c is similar to these a/c.
UPS still starting classes a day apart to manage the placement of crews where they desire maximum experience. They did this 20+ years ago as well, maybe a week apart back then, but was same strategy.
07-26-2019 | 05:27 PM
#30
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Sorry to the people who seem to think I’m whining. I’m sorry for trying to plan out my family’s life BEFORE changing airlines. If gaining information on class placement is frowned upon then perhaps a LOT of threads should be closed down. I’ve flown cargo for years, love it, but do not want to be based in ANC, is that a problem or something?
UPS has a history of flagrantly circumventing the contract in this particular regard (from what i am told) and I’m simply asking if they are still doing it. Perhaps be upset with that instead of someone only asking if they are still doing it so they can consider employment before coming over.
I just wanted to know if I’d get the 747 and be seat locked 4000 miles from home for 18 months...
UPS has a history of flagrantly circumventing the contract in this particular regard (from what i am told) and I’m simply asking if they are still doing it. Perhaps be upset with that instead of someone only asking if they are still doing it so they can consider employment before coming over.
I just wanted to know if I’d get the 747 and be seat locked 4000 miles from home for 18 months...
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