UPS Interview
#71
And don't forget that recurrent training will be in the middle of DAYS OFF.
#72
As a probationary pilot, I was able to touch CQ to two trips on a base line, giving me one additional day off either side of training.
I also was able to knock out three days of a 5-day reserve sequence with my <7 day vacation; I would have been able to lay all my vacation days on RSV days but needing other days off in the bid period drove my bid.
Caveat emptor, YMMV, etc.
I also was able to knock out three days of a 5-day reserve sequence with my <7 day vacation; I would have been able to lay all my vacation days on RSV days but needing other days off in the bid period drove my bid.
Caveat emptor, YMMV, etc.
#73
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Joined APC: Sep 2015
Posts: 77
Anyone near the bottom 10% of any airline seniority list is one management announcement away from a furlough and can't secure a decent QOL factor.
That said, here's my 1-10 scale (10 being best) at UPS for those thinking of making this place a home:
++QOL: 8.5
-We have the best conflict rules in the industry. Junior pilots can turn one week of vacation into 3-5 weeks off. Senior pilots can take two months off using two weeks
-You can fly international your entire career if you want to
-No PBS!
-No such thing as a "senior airplane" due to one simple pay scale for all
-No need to jump airplanes to increase your pay
-Did I say NO PBS?
-Some really hard schedules to fly, at night
++Health Insurance: 10
-Industry leading
++Pay: 8
-We are surpassed now by the Big Three
-Future Contract 2018 should bring hourly rates up 15-25%
-Avg pilot earns 15% more than guarantee
-Don't need to be a captain to earn $200k+ on current contract
-Future contract: FOs will likely make passenger narrowbody captain pay
-First year pay needs a big bump; industry lagging
++Retirement: 9
-Only better retirement package is at FedEx
-No 401K match
-No Profit Sharing
++Aircraft: 8.8
-Airplanes are well maintained and standardized
-No aircraft orders, the only major US airline without any
++Job Security: 9.5
-This is where I want to be if another 9/11 hits America
-One furlough (not one every decade) notwithstanding
++Career Progression: 3
-15 year upgrade to captain time and getting longer
-Only hiring the past 8 years has been due to attrition
-Retirements don't pick up for another 8-10 years
-BUT: someone under 35 hired the next few years will have massive career earnings because:
-Avg pilot age is 52
++Colleagues: 9.8
-UPS HR has done a good job of hiring great people
++Union: 9.8
-Very cohesive, independent union
-Works well with company on safety issues
-Pitbull during negotiations; witness the full page ads in the Wall Street Journal
-Gets *almost* everyone's job back who gets terminated
-Negative: most contracts are 9-10 years between signings; not union's fault necessarily
That said, here's my 1-10 scale (10 being best) at UPS for those thinking of making this place a home:
++QOL: 8.5
-We have the best conflict rules in the industry. Junior pilots can turn one week of vacation into 3-5 weeks off. Senior pilots can take two months off using two weeks
-You can fly international your entire career if you want to
-No PBS!
-No such thing as a "senior airplane" due to one simple pay scale for all
-No need to jump airplanes to increase your pay
-Did I say NO PBS?
-Some really hard schedules to fly, at night
++Health Insurance: 10
-Industry leading
++Pay: 8
-We are surpassed now by the Big Three
-Future Contract 2018 should bring hourly rates up 15-25%
-Avg pilot earns 15% more than guarantee
-Don't need to be a captain to earn $200k+ on current contract
-Future contract: FOs will likely make passenger narrowbody captain pay
-First year pay needs a big bump; industry lagging
++Retirement: 9
-Only better retirement package is at FedEx
-No 401K match
-No Profit Sharing
++Aircraft: 8.8
-Airplanes are well maintained and standardized
-No aircraft orders, the only major US airline without any
++Job Security: 9.5
-This is where I want to be if another 9/11 hits America
-One furlough (not one every decade) notwithstanding
++Career Progression: 3
-15 year upgrade to captain time and getting longer
-Only hiring the past 8 years has been due to attrition
-Retirements don't pick up for another 8-10 years
-BUT: someone under 35 hired the next few years will have massive career earnings because:
-Avg pilot age is 52
++Colleagues: 9.8
-UPS HR has done a good job of hiring great people
++Union: 9.8
-Very cohesive, independent union
-Works well with company on safety issues
-Pitbull during negotiations; witness the full page ads in the Wall Street Journal
-Gets *almost* everyone's job back who gets terminated
-Negative: most contracts are 9-10 years between signings; not union's fault necessarily
#74
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: Oct 2014
Position: Retired from APC.
Posts: 507
Now tell us what your pay check for that month was??
#75
his pay would have been 3 hours of pay for every day of vacation that was on a scheduled day off ... but I don't think that is the point you are trying to make.
I think the point he was making was that conflict bidding a vacation is able to be done well by the senior not so much by the less senior.
If vacation is all on your days off is it really vacation?
I think the point he was making was that conflict bidding a vacation is able to be done well by the senior not so much by the less senior.
If vacation is all on your days off is it really vacation?
#76
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: Oct 2014
Position: Retired from APC.
Posts: 507
his pay would have been 3 hours of pay for every day of vacation that was on a scheduled day off ... but I don't think that is the point you are trying to make.
I think the point he was making was that conflict bidding a vacation is able to be done well by the senior not so much by the less senior.
If vacation is all on your days off is it really vacation?
I think the point he was making was that conflict bidding a vacation is able to be done well by the senior not so much by the less senior.
If vacation is all on your days off is it really vacation?
My error. I thought it was something like 4or5 hrs per day.
#77
yes it is, I'm at a loss why vacation can't simply be on your scheduled line/reserve days. In discussing this once with a friend who couldn't wrap their heads around it. I told him i would give him 80 vacation days a year instead of his 4 weeks for the same wage. He said great, I said they will all be 2 days at a time on your weekends. He got it then.
#78
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: Nov 2013
Posts: 2,756
yes it is, I'm at a loss why vacation can't simply be on your scheduled line/reserve days. In discussing this once with a friend who couldn't wrap their heads around it. I told him i would give him 80 vacation days a year instead of his 4 weeks for the same wage. He said great, I said they will all be 2 days at a time on your weekends. He got it then.
Hopefully the union is negotiating to get more vacation flexibility. I could see how that system might work great for a senior pilot who can knock out a massive trip or trips with vacation. However, if you were able to slide or expand your vacation to knock out as many trips as the vacation period credit hours provide, the system would work for everyone.
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