UPS Interview
02-10-2016, 11:53 AM
#41
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OP, you need to evaluate WHO is writing the response you are seeing. There's a stark difference in QOL here with only a few months of seniority given. An Early 07 hire and mid to late 07 hire live two COMPLETELY different lives.
I wonder (other than the money) why, with all the other airlines you or anybody else would dream of coming here? I don't mean that rudely, but seriously, with AA, DL, and others hiring why UPS.
The likely hood of you upgrading here is close to 20 years, also at the rate we are retiring people you can expect to be bounced around the system at their discretion. Some here still experience 3 long term training events in 12-18 months. That's a different airplane, different domicile, and the joy of being on a training schedule every 4-5 months.
They have NO plans to ever grow this airline, you are flying your checkride with someone who has 10% of the time and experience you do, I could go on and on.
Lastly, due to our previous presidents lack of ability to count, among other things, this place has tasted the benefit of a furlough. If it is in their power to save a single dollar at the expense of your family.....they will, and won't even hesitate.
I don't post here often, but I say again, seek like elsewhere.
Carry on......
I wonder (other than the money) why, with all the other airlines you or anybody else would dream of coming here? I don't mean that rudely, but seriously, with AA, DL, and others hiring why UPS.
The likely hood of you upgrading here is close to 20 years, also at the rate we are retiring people you can expect to be bounced around the system at their discretion. Some here still experience 3 long term training events in 12-18 months. That's a different airplane, different domicile, and the joy of being on a training schedule every 4-5 months.
They have NO plans to ever grow this airline, you are flying your checkride with someone who has 10% of the time and experience you do, I could go on and on.
Lastly, due to our previous presidents lack of ability to count, among other things, this place has tasted the benefit of a furlough. If it is in their power to save a single dollar at the expense of your family.....they will, and won't even hesitate.
I don't post here often, but I say again, seek like elsewhere.
Carry on......
Last edited by Section Eight; 02-10-2016 at 11:55 AM. Reason: Typing on my iphone
02-10-2016, 12:23 PM
#42
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A big issue is that UPS had/has a younger pilot group than other airlines like the "Big 3" legacies and FedEx. As such, the percentage of the group hitting mandatory retirement age each year has been minuscule compared to those four companies.
That is going to change in the coming years, however, as half the pilot group reaches 65 by the end of 2028. Unless the airline shrinks precipitously (not counting 6 and 1354, has it shrunk any since the 8 went away?), attrition alone will allow for movement not seen here in the better part of a decade. Of course growth would be nice, but we all have expectation zero about that.
People here like to point to 2 year upgrades at Delta along with "know a guy who knows a guy" that made $350k+ as a narrowbody captain due to Green Slips and profit sharing, without regard to the reasons why NYC 88A/717A goes so junior or how the GS process works (or the time/work investment required to take advantage of it).
Past results are not indicative of future performance, so I believe it unlikely that the stagnation and long upgrade times faced by UPS 05-07 hires due to parking 3-crew planes, Age 65 and global recession will impact 2014-on hires in the same fashion.
Again, flying for UPS is a good job (contrary to what some here might think) but it is just that - a job - just like United, Delta, American, Southwest and FedEx are.
That is going to change in the coming years, however, as half the pilot group reaches 65 by the end of 2028. Unless the airline shrinks precipitously (not counting 6 and 1354, has it shrunk any since the 8 went away?), attrition alone will allow for movement not seen here in the better part of a decade. Of course growth would be nice, but we all have expectation zero about that.
People here like to point to 2 year upgrades at Delta along with "know a guy who knows a guy" that made $350k+ as a narrowbody captain due to Green Slips and profit sharing, without regard to the reasons why NYC 88A/717A goes so junior or how the GS process works (or the time/work investment required to take advantage of it).
Past results are not indicative of future performance, so I believe it unlikely that the stagnation and long upgrade times faced by UPS 05-07 hires due to parking 3-crew planes, Age 65 and global recession will impact 2014-on hires in the same fashion.
Again, flying for UPS is a good job (contrary to what some here might think) but it is just that - a job - just like United, Delta, American, Southwest and FedEx are.
02-10-2016, 12:27 PM
#43
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Originally Posted by Section Eight
OP, you need to evaluate WHO is writing the response you are seeing. There's a stark difference in QOL here with only a few months of seniority given. An Early 07 hire and mid to late 07 hire live two COMPLETELY different lives.
I wonder (other than the money) why, with all the other airlines you or anybody else would dream of coming here? I don't mean that rudely, but seriously, with AA, DL, and others hiring why UPS.
The likely hood of you upgrading here is close to 20 years, also at the rate we are retiring people you can expect to be bounced around the system at their discretion. Some here still experience 3 long term training events in 12-18 months. That's a different airplane, different domicile, and the joy of being on a training schedule every 4-5 months.
They have NO plans to ever grow this airline, you are flying your checkride with someone who has 10% of the time and experience you do, I could go on and on.
Lastly, due to our previous presidents lack of ability to count, among other things, this place has tasted the benefit of a furlough. If it is in their power to save a single dollar at the expense of your family.....they will, and won't even hesitate.
I don't post here often, but I say again, seek like elsewhere.
Carry on......
I wonder (other than the money) why, with all the other airlines you or anybody else would dream of coming here? I don't mean that rudely, but seriously, with AA, DL, and others hiring why UPS.
The likely hood of you upgrading here is close to 20 years, also at the rate we are retiring people you can expect to be bounced around the system at their discretion. Some here still experience 3 long term training events in 12-18 months. That's a different airplane, different domicile, and the joy of being on a training schedule every 4-5 months.
They have NO plans to ever grow this airline, you are flying your checkride with someone who has 10% of the time and experience you do, I could go on and on.
Lastly, due to our previous presidents lack of ability to count, among other things, this place has tasted the benefit of a furlough. If it is in their power to save a single dollar at the expense of your family.....they will, and won't even hesitate.
I don't post here often, but I say again, seek like elsewhere.
Carry on......
02-10-2016, 12:32 PM
#44
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Originally Posted by Section Eight
OP, you need to evaluate WHO is writing the response you are seeing. There's a stark difference in QOL here with only a few months of seniority given. An Early 07 hire and mid to late 07 hire live two COMPLETELY different lives.
I wonder (other than the money) why, with all the other airlines you or anybody else would dream of coming here? I don't mean that rudely, but seriously, with AA, DL, and others hiring why UPS.
The likely hood of you upgrading here is close to 20 years, also at the rate we are retiring people you can expect to be bounced around the system at their discretion. Some here still experience 3 long term training events in 12-18 months. That's a different airplane, different domicile, and the joy of being on a training schedule every 4-5 months.
They have NO plans to ever grow this airline, you are flying your checkride with someone who has 10% of the time and experience you do, I could go on and on.
Lastly, due to our previous presidents lack of ability to count, among other things, this place has tasted the benefit of a furlough. If it is in their power to save a single dollar at the expense of your family.....they will, and won't even hesitate.
I don't post here often, but I say again, seek like elsewhere.
Carry on......
I wonder (other than the money) why, with all the other airlines you or anybody else would dream of coming here? I don't mean that rudely, but seriously, with AA, DL, and others hiring why UPS.
The likely hood of you upgrading here is close to 20 years, also at the rate we are retiring people you can expect to be bounced around the system at their discretion. Some here still experience 3 long term training events in 12-18 months. That's a different airplane, different domicile, and the joy of being on a training schedule every 4-5 months.
They have NO plans to ever grow this airline, you are flying your checkride with someone who has 10% of the time and experience you do, I could go on and on.
Lastly, due to our previous presidents lack of ability to count, among other things, this place has tasted the benefit of a furlough. If it is in their power to save a single dollar at the expense of your family.....they will, and won't even hesitate.
I don't post here often, but I say again, seek like elsewhere.
Carry on......
We get it, a 2007 hire got HOSED. The entire nation got hosed if I recall....
The career of a 07' hire is vastly different than a 90' hire and a 16' hire is gonna be vastly different than a 07'
Just ask a 99' or a 01' hire at UAL to compare to a 2008 hire....perspective dude.
This entire industry is a luck of the draw crapshoot - another thing, you don't choose where you go, they chose you. Some of us have had our stuff in at the big 3 for 6+ years, done the job fairs, meet n greets, dropped thousands for nothing, all the while 24 year old Johnny who you just did his 100th hour of IOE on, with a fresh ATP and 2,500 hours starts at DL next week...
If DL is so fantastic, get on it...it's so easy afterall. You can be upgraded and mad dawging up and down the eastern seaboard in no time 🤑
02-10-2016, 12:37 PM
#45
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Oh, and why UPS? They called first. If I listened to some of the UPS guys on here and not even applied I'd still be waiting for my first choice to call. Question is, YTF did some of you guys go to UPS back in the day when everyone else was hiring with WAY better contracts??????
02-10-2016, 12:50 PM
#46
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Originally Posted by Section Eight
OP, you need to evaluate WHO is writing the response you are seeing. There's a stark difference in QOL here with only a few months of seniority given. An Early 07 hire and mid to late 07 hire live two COMPLETELY different lives.
I wonder (other than the money) why, with all the other airlines you or anybody else would dream of coming here? I don't mean that rudely, but seriously, with AA, DL, and others hiring why UPS.
The likely hood of you upgrading here is close to 20 years, also at the rate we are retiring people you can expect to be bounced around the system at their discretion. Some here still experience 3 long term training events in 12-18 months. That's a different airplane, different domicile, and the joy of being on a training schedule every 4-5 months.
They have NO plans to ever grow this airline, you are flying your checkride with someone who has 10% of the time and experience you do, I could go on and on.
Lastly, due to our previous presidents lack of ability to count, among other things, this place has tasted the benefit of a furlough. If it is in their power to save a single dollar at the expense of your family.....they will, and won't even hesitate.
I don't post here often, but I say again, seek like elsewhere.
Carry on......
I wonder (other than the money) why, with all the other airlines you or anybody else would dream of coming here? I don't mean that rudely, but seriously, with AA, DL, and others hiring why UPS.
The likely hood of you upgrading here is close to 20 years, also at the rate we are retiring people you can expect to be bounced around the system at their discretion. Some here still experience 3 long term training events in 12-18 months. That's a different airplane, different domicile, and the joy of being on a training schedule every 4-5 months.
They have NO plans to ever grow this airline, you are flying your checkride with someone who has 10% of the time and experience you do, I could go on and on.
Lastly, due to our previous presidents lack of ability to count, among other things, this place has tasted the benefit of a furlough. If it is in their power to save a single dollar at the expense of your family.....they will, and won't even hesitate.
I don't post here often, but I say again, seek like elsewhere.
Carry on......
I'm on the outside looking in, but when half of your seniority list is retiring in the next 10-12 years due to age 65, there's going to be movement. If there's early outs, it's just a bonus. If a person gets hired soon, they will be at the front of the wave of retirements and have progression throughout their careers.
With $28 crude, the pax carriers are making money hand over fist. WHEN, not if, crude runs back to $70-80/bbl or higher, it gives the pax carriers a great excuse cut the profit sharing and demand decreases in pay. It's all rosy these days, but someday it's not going to be. UPS and FedEx will add a few cent fuel surcharge to each package and they'll continue to make money hand over fist.
I haven't gotten a nibble from the Big 3 and I'm okay with that. If they did call, I would be humbled to interview and potentially have a choice of employers. If UPS and United offered classes the same day, call me crazy, but I would still go to UPS. Company stability is important to me, and I imagine it's important to other poolies/applicants as well.
Different strokes for different folks- it's what makes the world go 'round. Just wanted to throw a different opinion out there from someone who is anxiously awaiting a call for Basic Indoc. I hope to join you on the line very soon......
02-10-2016, 03:01 PM
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Originally Posted by CL300
I'm a recent UPS poolie and I've had the option on my profile to schedule an interview at SWA since July of 2015, but haven't done it.
Schedule the SWA interview. Take the job if offered. When/if UPS gives you a class date, then you have a choice to make.
02-10-2016, 03:11 PM
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Originally Posted by navigatro
With all due respect, that is a HUGE mistake. You could sit in the UPS pool forever. Ask any of the poolies from 2006-7 who never got the call, then the pool was flushed.
Schedule the SWA interview. Take the job if offered. When/if UPS gives you a class date, then you have a choice to make.
Schedule the SWA interview. Take the job if offered. When/if UPS gives you a class date, then you have a choice to make.
I realize the potential to swim in the UPS pool for years, it's a decision I've committed to. I'm not unemployed now, nor am I desperate to change jobs. I have a select few companies on my list that I would leave to work for, but SWA isn't one of them. I'm glad I realized that before I wasted their time and mine to interview.
If I lived in (or wanted to move to) a SWA base with the opportunity to fly OT, it would be a different situation. But I don't so it's not.
02-10-2016, 03:24 PM
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Originally Posted by CL300
I appreciate your advice, but it's all in the eye of the beholder. I've got friends on 8th and 9th year pay at SWA that fly their schedule and no OT and still make much less than what I make now. I'm personally better off staying in my current position than making a two-leg commute to reserve at a SWA domicile.
I realize the potential to swim in the UPS pool for years, it's a decision I've committed to. I'm not unemployed now, nor am I desperate to change jobs. I have a select few companies on my list that I would leave to work for, but SWA isn't one of them. I'm glad I realized that before I wasted their time and mine to interview.
If I lived in (or wanted to move to) a SWA base with the opportunity to fly OT, it would be a different situation. But I don't so it's not.
I realize the potential to swim in the UPS pool for years, it's a decision I've committed to. I'm not unemployed now, nor am I desperate to change jobs. I have a select few companies on my list that I would leave to work for, but SWA isn't one of them. I'm glad I realized that before I wasted their time and mine to interview.
If I lived in (or wanted to move to) a SWA base with the opportunity to fly OT, it would be a different situation. But I don't so it's not.
02-10-2016, 03:29 PM
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Originally Posted by navigatro
If you are making more that year 9 SWA F/O's then do you really want to come to UPS for a little more money, flying nights, commuting to reserve? If so then good luck.
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