whalesurfer

Not sure if you're being serious or not so I'll assume it's a legit question?

The answer is, yes, of course it applies! Absolutely, or as we prefer to say it 109% true!
(109 of our brothers and sisters were furloughed shortly after we'd posted a multi-billion dollar profit)

At every other major airline a person's experience at that specific airline and also his/her past experiences determines that person's progress. So an experienced first officer becomes a captain, an experienced captain becomes a check airman, fleet manager, etc., etc.
Here you can bypass the whole experience part by becoming "FQS" or flight qualified supervisor. So you can come from a regional airline where the largest plane you ever flew was an RJ and your "international" experience stretched 'all the way' to Montreal, Canada and you can become an instantaneous international 757/767, MD11 or B747 captain and shortly thereafter a check airman. Yes, some of the FQS had previous military flying experience and/or other pax airline experience but many went from military paper-pusher jobs or RJ flying straight to flying heavies overseas. This is no joke and is happening as we speak.

The worst of the worst are the ones who came here in the middle of our furlough. People were literally surrendering their company IDs due to being furloughed while those instantaneous ûber captains were being given their coloring books in indoc training..
I vividly remember one such occasion when a new nurp was being shown around the property while two pilots had just surrendered their badges. There was a total silence in the flight ops area and people were genuinely sick to their stomachs.
This could be such an incredible company, there's so much talent here, so much knowledge and experience but this whole nûrp fiasco is so discouraging to everyone..

PotatoChip

Thanks, Whalesurfer. I was being serious. Many airlines hire for specific positions from outside their airline. While I don't like this practice, it's not terribly uncommon.

My only reason for asking is that unlike many of these NURPs, a fleet manager would be an actual manager hired for specific experience and qualifacations. They wouldn't be there to solely circumvent a furlough.

Again, not agreeing with the practice, just looking for insight. I would MUCH prefer internal promotions, thus creating the need for more hiring of first officers etc.
(I'm not applying, nor do I currently hold that position).

PotatoChip

deleted...

mountaineerman

Thank you all for the advise and perspectives. I'm currently at NK an just about to hit 1 year mark. Its running at 2.5 upgrade and quality of life is good but i fly redeye turns to south America, and west coast....i figure if im fly that schedule i should be getting compensated for it...i have friends all over the industry and it all seems the same....some love their job, some hate it...from friends flying BE1900 to 747 at UPS....after reading all the replies i feel it is what you want to make of it....i have always lived by motto life, work, is up to youto make it enjoyable...

Iam excited for the opportunity and take to hart all those who have taken time to share their thoughts....i will continue to process the information and make the best decision i can for me and my family....if anyone has information on sim prep course or interview prep recommendation please respond or PM me...i have started reading the book Big Brown the story of UPS....good read so far...

And i will not be doing the MGT pilot position....i stand by my brother's at all times

Tanker-driver

Just remember, our management pilots are not, and never will be on the seniority list. No matter how good intentioned, they are stuck towing the (trucking) company line with no option to return to the life of a line pilot.

whalesurfer

Bussdriver12 - until fairly recently their IDs had a small letter M for management on them. Apparently during our furlough some of them had gotten bumped from pax airline jumpseats when they tried to j/s home on their days off (a privilege worked out by airline unions way back when).
So supposedly the small letter M doesn't show anymore? Maybe the rest of my reply to PC a few posts above will answer your question?

whalesurfer

One of our 747 captains has great interview gouge, check your PM.

whalesurfer

PC - I and many of my friends like it here but we think this company could be incredible. But...

...and by the way, I think the practice is extremely uncommon at major airlines.

Here's something to consider. Since the very beginning of this company's air operations (ups airlines) not a single captain, I repeat, not a single captain has ever crossed over to management! We all get yearly "promotion" letters basically encouraging us to skip the line and become instaneous captains. There have been a few first officer who couldn't resist the extra pay and accepted this "internal promotion" on the backs of their brothers and sisters but that's it. A very, very minuscule minority. I love this pilot group!!!

Turtledriver

This is it in a nutshell, UPS has NO aircraft on order ZERO not one,it's the only large airline in the world that has NO aircraft on order, that's ZERO growth.

Commando

One would have to have Zero other choices to come to UPS. It is that bad. And I've been here 22 years!

The Corporate structure here is suffocating. seriously. Depressing is a good word for it. Small things like the cafeteria, catering, hotels, QOL stuff here is really, really bad. And a very young work force. Retirements are a joke until 2024.

And now add to this, NO AIRCRAFT ORDERS. No Expansion in a decade. No new cities opened in forever. Did I mention No aircraft have been delivered here in 10 years. UPS ATL doesn't care about the Airline. Never will.


When DL has two year NB NY Captains and has some NB Captains making over $370,000 a year, why would this place even be under consideration?? Our pay is $100,000 less and fly night turns with lithium batteries that burn up. Seriously?