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05-30-2015, 09:49 AM
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Originally Posted by Qotsaautopilot
You're putting words in my mouth but IMO they pick up tons of open time not because we're underpaid but because the previous contract conditioned them to. Honestly I don't care why they pick it up. Or that they do. Pick up as much as you want. Making money is not a crime. Claiming to own open time because you are based a certain place is
Btw many in our list are much more than 30% underpaid. A 3rd year fo needs a $54/hr increase or 69% just to gain pairity with American. A 3rd year captain needs an $85/hr increase or 67%. That's not including the 7% increase im 401k contribution and getting my 9% contribution back in my pocket
Also: SCOPE!!!!!
Btw many in our list are much more than 30% underpaid. A 3rd year fo needs a $54/hr increase or 69% just to gain pairity with American. A 3rd year captain needs an $85/hr increase or 67%. That's not including the 7% increase im 401k contribution and getting my 9% contribution back in my pocket
Also: SCOPE!!!!!
Also scope and MERGER COMMITTEE!!!
05-30-2015, 09:50 AM
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You've really got me mixed up with someone else. Maybe your flag pic has something to do with your reading comprehension. I don't think anyone is using autobidding software, but if they were, I hope they get found out and everyone gets to know who it is. Maybe it's you!
05-30-2015, 09:58 AM
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Originally Posted by Metal Slug
Cool story, bro!
I did like the Cartman reference though.
05-30-2015, 10:00 AM
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Originally Posted by Rainbows
That's reasonable, but with something like this, if it was proven someone was using autobidding software he or she has to be made known to the rest of the pilot group. Difficult to detect, I'd think not, difficult to stop? Probably not either. There's plenty of human interface portal systems that can be easily integrated into FLICA to filter out auto software or robots. It might be a little bit more of a pain in the a$$ logging in or submitting for things, but would prevent auto software issues.
05-30-2015, 10:00 AM
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Originally Posted by Left Handed
No disrespect intended, sorry if that was inferred. I agree that the contract took a hit with the loss of 150%. And I also agree that significant portions of our pilots have a greater differential in pay than other Airbus drivers. I just took a random number (looks like it was too low). I was just trying to spotlight that we as a group are underpaid, and the "open time club" needs to see that the answer is better base pay for all and not having first shot at tweaking their schedule at the expense of someone else doing the same. We are and will continue to be a commuting company for some time to come. We need flexibility for all, not for a small group of people in one base. We need to work together or the company will use it to divide us.
Also scope and MERGER COMMITTEE!!!
Also scope and MERGER COMMITTEE!!!
05-30-2015, 10:05 AM
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Originally Posted by Left Handed
You could use the same protection as ticket master does. Use the little box with wavy letters in it that a computer couldn't read, in order to pick up open time. It would only take a human a couple extra seconds to comply, but stop bot bidding.
05-30-2015, 12:13 PM
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Originally Posted by Left Handed
You could use the same protection as ticket master does. Use the little box with wavy letters in it that a computer couldn't read, in order to pick up open time. It would only take a human a couple extra seconds to comply, but stop bot bidding.
05-30-2015, 01:02 PM
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Originally Posted by Plane Ramrod
I think we're getting a little ahead of ourselves here. I don't know of anything that prohibits use of such software, so before we start burning people at the stake, I think a MOU prohibiting it is in order.
05-30-2015, 01:23 PM
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I agree, I think that's what going on more than anything. Guys will throw in a bunch of requests, then filter it later. Sorta like playing a whole bunch of numbers in Roulette and hoping the ball hits one of your numbers.
However, doesn't seem to be an issue this month. There's more Open Time on the CA side in FLL than can be picked up. Maybe the FLL CAs will get a JA! Hope they do!
However, doesn't seem to be an issue this month. There's more Open Time on the CA side in FLL than can be picked up. Maybe the FLL CAs will get a JA! Hope they do!
05-30-2015, 02:49 PM
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Originally Posted by Left Handed
No disrespect intended, sorry if that was inferred. I agree that the contract took a hit with the loss of 150%. And I also agree that significant portions of our pilots have a greater differential in pay than other Airbus drivers. I just took a random number (looks like it was too low). I was just trying to spotlight that we as a group are underpaid, and the "open time club" needs to see that the answer is better base pay for all and not having first shot at tweaking their schedule at the expense of someone else doing the same. We are and will continue to be a commuting company for some time to come. We need flexibility for all, not for a small group of people in one base. We need to work together or the company will use it to divide us.
Also scope and MERGER COMMITTEE!!!
Also scope and MERGER COMMITTEE!!!
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