Curious: Did F9 Pilots fall for the trap?
#41
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: Jul 2009
Posts: 410
Fellow Frontier Pilots,
High Road Please.... These words come to mind. Compassion. Humility. Sensitivity. Understanding. Thoughtfulness.
We have been through alot the last three years. It seems as if we have been knocked down repeatedly, and have lost battle after battle.
How we act in defeat or victory defines our character.
High Road Please.... These words come to mind. Compassion. Humility. Sensitivity. Understanding. Thoughtfulness.
We have been through alot the last three years. It seems as if we have been knocked down repeatedly, and have lost battle after battle.
How we act in defeat or victory defines our character.
#42
Line Holder
Joined APC: Oct 2006
Position: Displaced
Posts: 74
I don't understand why people think the RAH guys want anything to do with the Airbus.
The SLI was done to prevent BB from whipsawing us against each other. If this grenade you speak of is the attempt to stall the vote and continued SLI, I don't know what to tell you.
I hope you get everything you want honestly no sarcasm.
I don't want to fly the Bus and I have never heard one of my co-workers drooling over them either.
Myself and the thousands of others only wanted one thing....OUT of RAH.
The SLI was done to prevent BB from whipsawing us against each other. If this grenade you speak of is the attempt to stall the vote and continued SLI, I don't know what to tell you.
I hope you get everything you want honestly no sarcasm.
I don't want to fly the Bus and I have never heard one of my co-workers drooling over them either.
Myself and the thousands of others only wanted one thing....OUT of RAH.
#43
A lot of management meddling during a union representation drive, also during section 6 negotiations. I'm thinking an old fashion "lawyer up" is coming. FAPA has a 2 million dollar kitty (no sense having it if you don't spend it) Republic has Henson and the boys. I think the Teamsters could dig up a paralegal or two who may have dabbled in labor law. Maybe we could have an "Anchor Man" style news rumble. Only rule is no touching of the hair or face!
I'll bring my trident.....
I'll bring my trident.....
#44
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: Jul 2008
Posts: 4,921
I don't understand why people think the RAH guys want anything to do with the Airbus.
The SLI was done to prevent BB from whipsawing us against each other. If this grenade you speak of is the attempt to stall the vote and continued SLI, I don't know what to tell you.
I hope you get everything you want honestly no sarcasm.
I don't want to fly the Bus and I have never heard one of my co-workers drooling over them either.
Myself and the thousands of others only wanted one thing....OUT of RAH.
The SLI was done to prevent BB from whipsawing us against each other. If this grenade you speak of is the attempt to stall the vote and continued SLI, I don't know what to tell you.
I hope you get everything you want honestly no sarcasm.
I don't want to fly the Bus and I have never heard one of my co-workers drooling over them either.
Myself and the thousands of others only wanted one thing....OUT of RAH.
#45
On Reserve
Joined APC: Jun 2008
Posts: 17
Once again, leeching the glory from others and their hard work.
RAH pilots can't even stand up to their management, do have the lowest pay scales, destroyed two highly rated national airlines, and have no respect in the industry, and the list goes on..........
#46
Fellow Frontier Pilots,
High Road Please.... These words come to mind. Compassion. Humility. Sensitivity. Understanding. Thoughtfulness.
We have been through alot the last three years. It seems as if we have been knocked down repeatedly, and have lost battle after battle.
How we act in defeat or victory defines our character.
High Road Please.... These words come to mind. Compassion. Humility. Sensitivity. Understanding. Thoughtfulness.
We have been through alot the last three years. It seems as if we have been knocked down repeatedly, and have lost battle after battle.
How we act in defeat or victory defines our character.
#47
Yeah screw those RAH pilots for buying those two failing airlines...
#48
New Hire
Joined APC: Jun 2011
Position: A320 CA
Posts: 4
I guess y'all were right, I guess we are being mislead. He said only 80 airplanes.
GECAS (60 Neo)
AIR SHOW: Airbus Debut Air Show Order With GECAS For $5.47B - WSJ.com
Republic/Frontier (80 Neo)
Frontier Airlines to get 80 fuel-efficient jets | Airlineberg.com
Republic/Frontier (40/40 C Series)
CSeries order intact, says Republic; CFM offered “great incentives” for engine deal Leeham News and Comment
"What does it all mean, Basil?"
GECAS (60 Neo)
AIR SHOW: Airbus Debut Air Show Order With GECAS For $5.47B - WSJ.com
Republic/Frontier (80 Neo)
Frontier Airlines to get 80 fuel-efficient jets | Airlineberg.com
Republic/Frontier (40/40 C Series)
CSeries order intact, says Republic; CFM offered “great incentives” for engine deal Leeham News and Comment
"What does it all mean, Basil?"
#49
And therein lies the disconnect with reality.
Is BB mad at the RAH pilots for buying Mokulele and selling it at a loss into a JV with Mesa? Is he mad at them for buying, instead of leasing, the majority of RAH's 170s so he had reduced flexibility in today's market?
I'm guessing that the answer is no. Because pilots fly airplanes. Pilots don't (typically) make business decisions regarding the operation / growth of the airline or holding company. The holding company that owns your fee for departure airline(s) sponsored F9's bankruptcy reorganization plan, and happens to own, for the moment, F9. The pilots keep flying the planes - period.
Nobody is "...screw(ing) those RAH pilots for BUYING those two failing airlines..." (BTW F9 had been successfully reorganized and been profitable until RAH management, or the RAH pilots in your mind, decided to reinvent the wheel - and oil spiked).
This crap that RAH pilots have made RAH profitable and put themselves in the position to buy F9 is riddled with so many fallacies that I don't know where to start. The RAH pilots flew the planes so that BB et al could perform to their end of the transaction(s) with mainline carriers and make money for the RJET shareholders.
The only animosity that I see from the FAPA pilots toward the 357 pilots comes from the overwhelming sense of entitlement that your post so typifies.
Is BB mad at the RAH pilots for buying Mokulele and selling it at a loss into a JV with Mesa? Is he mad at them for buying, instead of leasing, the majority of RAH's 170s so he had reduced flexibility in today's market?
I'm guessing that the answer is no. Because pilots fly airplanes. Pilots don't (typically) make business decisions regarding the operation / growth of the airline or holding company. The holding company that owns your fee for departure airline(s) sponsored F9's bankruptcy reorganization plan, and happens to own, for the moment, F9. The pilots keep flying the planes - period.
Nobody is "...screw(ing) those RAH pilots for BUYING those two failing airlines..." (BTW F9 had been successfully reorganized and been profitable until RAH management, or the RAH pilots in your mind, decided to reinvent the wheel - and oil spiked).
This crap that RAH pilots have made RAH profitable and put themselves in the position to buy F9 is riddled with so many fallacies that I don't know where to start. The RAH pilots flew the planes so that BB et al could perform to their end of the transaction(s) with mainline carriers and make money for the RJET shareholders.
The only animosity that I see from the FAPA pilots toward the 357 pilots comes from the overwhelming sense of entitlement that your post so typifies.
#50
FWIW,
PG put out a response to all of this on our Local boards. The jist of it being this is another Hail Mary that the NMB will quickly deny. Again, single carrier status has already been ruled. The only way out is for BB to actually sell off his baby. Most of the RAH guys did a face palm today not over this, but the airbus announcement, you got played by the goons in IND.
PG put out a response to all of this on our Local boards. The jist of it being this is another Hail Mary that the NMB will quickly deny. Again, single carrier status has already been ruled. The only way out is for BB to actually sell off his baby. Most of the RAH guys did a face palm today not over this, but the airbus announcement, you got played by the goons in IND.
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