Originally Posted by F9 Driver

And therein lies the disconnect with reality.

Is BB mad at the RAH pilots for buying Mokulele and selling it at a loss into a JV with Mesa? Is he mad at them for buying, instead of leasing, the majority of RAH's 170s so he had reduced flexibility in today's market?

I'm guessing that the answer is no. Because pilots fly airplanes. Pilots don't (typically) make business decisions regarding the operation / growth of the airline or holding company. The holding company that owns your fee for departure airline(s) sponsored F9's bankruptcy reorganization plan, and happens to own, for the moment, F9. The pilots keep flying the planes - period.

Nobody is "...screw(ing) those RAH pilots for BUYING those two failing airlines..." (BTW F9 had been successfully reorganized and been profitable until RAH management, or the RAH pilots in your mind, decided to reinvent the wheel - and oil spiked).

This crap that RAH pilots have made RAH profitable and put themselves in the position to buy F9 is riddled with so many fallacies that I don't know where to start. The RAH pilots flew the planes so that BB et al could perform to their end of the transaction(s) with mainline carriers and make money for the RJET shareholders.

The only animosity that I see from the FAPA pilots toward the 357 pilots comes from the overwhelming sense of entitlement that your post so typifies.

Originally Posted by Flyn2low

Cause you can go to a better airline with more competent management(maybe) with better benefits with a lower probability of bankruptcy and failure.(maybe but its better than RAH)

Originally Posted by hockeypilot44

If that was the case, these pilots would not still be there. Some have had problems with the law, others do not have a degree, and a few are not willing to give up seniority to start over. Frontier can solve all these problems.

Originally Posted by toomanyrjs

And why should pilots with failed careers be rewarded by allowing them to bypass the vetting process of getting hired at a major airline?

Originally Posted by hockeypilot44

If that was the case, these pilots would not still be there. Some have had problems with the law, others do not have a degree, and a few are not willing to give up seniority to start over. Frontier can solve all these problems.

Originally Posted by Mulva

I can't believe you flat out said that. Finally, it's out in the open. Publicly stated. My greatest fear has been confirmed. There is at least one "native" RAH pilot who views this whole cluster as a windfall.

It's interesting that each of us make choices in life or have circumstances dictate them to us. I've done some stupid $h!+ in my life and luckily I'm still alive, have a clean record with law enforcement, a college degree and was willing to give up seniority at a company I was actually happy to work at.

I'm not so certain a GED, DUI and willingness to stick it out at THE most dysfunctional regional in the world would have given me any hope that I could have moved on to a better job.

I probably would have just spent all my money on lottery tickets. I'm not smart enough to have thought about the possibility that the crappy employer I was "stuck" at would buy my next job for me.

I still can't believe you actually said that.

Really? Legal record. No college degree. No desire to sacrifice. No worries - Frontier can solve all of these problems!

Your joking, right? Just flame bait? Please say yes.

Originally Posted by EWRflyr

Were the F9 pilots played by the typical management playbook of we need concessions to survive or was this order because this newly negotiated agreement REQUIRES the company to do this?

Serious question only. Not bashing.

Republic Airways Announces Order for 80 Airbus NEO Aircraft
Aircraft to be flown by Frontier Airlines

Republic Airways Announces Order for 80 Airbus NEO Aircraft - Yahoo! Finance

Originally Posted by slumav505

He's not at RAH anymore... so no one "FINALLY" said anything. No one that I talk to gives a crap about the Airbus.It's just an airplane. Everyday it's getting more regional like due to concessions, and management tactics. We all just want to do our time and get out. 7 years from now I hope I'll be flying something similar with a few years seniority for better pay, work rules, management ect than what you idiots just agreed to. Your hail mary attempt to avoid integration and tear down our scope will fail, just like everything else your fearless leaders have tried. At some point you need to understand we have more experience dealing with the Rev and his minions than you do. We are watching you guys fall for traps that are from page 1 of the play book. Sometimes defeat will set you free, and I'm hoping that's what happens next week for you guys.