Curious: Did F9 Pilots fall for the trap?
06-24-2011, 08:31 AM
#71
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Mulva,
Yeah, surely hockeypilot speaks for all of us... We've all got our winners and losers amongst us. From what I've heard from a few peole, F9 is no different. Amongst a few "characters" here and elsewhere, RAH has a vast number of good pilots with clean established records, 5-8k turbine PIC and viable prereq's to enable them to be hired anywhere... if you add up the number of available spots in different majors over the last 5 years, and look at the number of regional pilots, you'll see why many of us are still here. So, as people here seem to like asking, why not move on and let F9 and RAH be in their own happy little separate spheres? What right do we have to those SLI slots? While I don't speak for the union, I think it's safe to say that while many of us are still trying to move elsewhere, we sure don't want to close a door here in case there's one good reason or another to stay - and there are potentially positive reasons to stay depending on one's geographic or personal reasons. We have no good right to those planes any more than you have a good right to continued FFD funding for the existence of the F9 brand... not opening a can or worms... no need to read too deeply into that - my point it, it's all above our paygrades and there's no "right" to any of it other than an agreed upon SLI, and the legal obstacles each group can choose to throw in its way. That's the right your guys are choosing to exercise now.
Other than that, you're just jumping on a flaming bag of *#!% hockeypilot put on your front porch.
Yeah, surely hockeypilot speaks for all of us... We've all got our winners and losers amongst us. From what I've heard from a few peole, F9 is no different. Amongst a few "characters" here and elsewhere, RAH has a vast number of good pilots with clean established records, 5-8k turbine PIC and viable prereq's to enable them to be hired anywhere... if you add up the number of available spots in different majors over the last 5 years, and look at the number of regional pilots, you'll see why many of us are still here. So, as people here seem to like asking, why not move on and let F9 and RAH be in their own happy little separate spheres? What right do we have to those SLI slots? While I don't speak for the union, I think it's safe to say that while many of us are still trying to move elsewhere, we sure don't want to close a door here in case there's one good reason or another to stay - and there are potentially positive reasons to stay depending on one's geographic or personal reasons. We have no good right to those planes any more than you have a good right to continued FFD funding for the existence of the F9 brand... not opening a can or worms... no need to read too deeply into that - my point it, it's all above our paygrades and there's no "right" to any of it other than an agreed upon SLI, and the legal obstacles each group can choose to throw in its way. That's the right your guys are choosing to exercise now.
Other than that, you're just jumping on a flaming bag of *#!% hockeypilot put on your front porch.
06-24-2011, 10:12 AM
#72
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Joined APC: Feb 2011
Position: A-320 Asst. Pilot
Posts: 423
Originally Posted by Chuck D
Mulva,
Yeah, surely hockeypilot speaks for all of us... We've all got our winners and losers amongst us. From what I've heard from a few peole, F9 is no different. Amongst a few "characters" here and elsewhere, RAH has a vast number of good pilots with clean established records, 5-8k turbine PIC and viable prereq's to enable them to be hired anywhere... if you add up the number of available spots in different majors over the last 5 years, and look at the number of regional pilots, you'll see why many of us are still here. So, as people here seem to like asking, why not move on and let F9 and RAH be in their own happy little separate spheres? What right do we have to those SLI slots? While I don't speak for the union, I think it's safe to say that while many of us are still trying to move elsewhere, we sure don't want to close a door here in case there's one good reason or another to stay - and there are potentially positive reasons to stay depending on one's geographic or personal reasons. We have no good right to those planes any more than you have a good right to continued FFD funding for the existence of the F9 brand... not opening a can or worms... no need to read too deeply into that - my point it, it's all above our paygrades and there's no "right" to any of it other than an agreed upon SLI, and the legal obstacles each group can choose to throw in its way. That's the right your guys are choosing to exercise now.
Other than that, you're just jumping on a flaming bag of *#!% hockeypilot put on your front porch.
Yeah, surely hockeypilot speaks for all of us... We've all got our winners and losers amongst us. From what I've heard from a few peole, F9 is no different. Amongst a few "characters" here and elsewhere, RAH has a vast number of good pilots with clean established records, 5-8k turbine PIC and viable prereq's to enable them to be hired anywhere... if you add up the number of available spots in different majors over the last 5 years, and look at the number of regional pilots, you'll see why many of us are still here. So, as people here seem to like asking, why not move on and let F9 and RAH be in their own happy little separate spheres? What right do we have to those SLI slots? While I don't speak for the union, I think it's safe to say that while many of us are still trying to move elsewhere, we sure don't want to close a door here in case there's one good reason or another to stay - and there are potentially positive reasons to stay depending on one's geographic or personal reasons. We have no good right to those planes any more than you have a good right to continued FFD funding for the existence of the F9 brand... not opening a can or worms... no need to read too deeply into that - my point it, it's all above our paygrades and there's no "right" to any of it other than an agreed upon SLI, and the legal obstacles each group can choose to throw in its way. That's the right your guys are choosing to exercise now.
Other than that, you're just jumping on a flaming bag of *#!% hockeypilot put on your front porch.
Dolores...OUT!!!!!!!
06-24-2011, 11:17 AM
#73
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Joined APC: Mar 2010
Position: EMB-145 CA
Posts: 456
Originally Posted by Mulva
Another stellar post SLUMLAV. *** did we just agree to? Have you read it or you just doing the typical RAHbro knee-jerk to what the IBT357 is feeding you?
It's a fruitless arguement, but after concessions, this 5 year Airbus FO will continue cashing paychecks that exceed those of your 6 year 190 CA (and more than 2x RAH's most senior FO). The same exact dollar figure as before the concessions. I sacrifice 401K match for 6 months and then, to a lesser extent, for a longer period. My DC plan remains in place. I'll still have 17 days off a month and the freedom to work my reduced vacation accrual into 3 sweet (15+ day block) vacations each year. Still something worth protecting in my opinion. Maybe not in yours.
Have the tables turned? Who are the arrogant ones again?
BLUE 91...BLUE 91...HUT..HUT..HIKE! He's going long!
It's a fruitless arguement, but after concessions, this 5 year Airbus FO will continue cashing paychecks that exceed those of your 6 year 190 CA (and more than 2x RAH's most senior FO). The same exact dollar figure as before the concessions. I sacrifice 401K match for 6 months and then, to a lesser extent, for a longer period. My DC plan remains in place. I'll still have 17 days off a month and the freedom to work my reduced vacation accrual into 3 sweet (15+ day block) vacations each year. Still something worth protecting in my opinion. Maybe not in yours.
Have the tables turned? Who are the arrogant ones again?
BLUE 91...BLUE 91...HUT..HUT..HIKE! He's going long!
Even though you "claim" to be leaving again, I'll respond here. Yes I read it. I started laughing at "Good Faith". The only good faith going on at this company right now is our FFD cash keeping you employed. If 1 dollar of our money goes to subsidize your failing operation (which I fly for all the time) you are going to get integrated, which in the end is the best thing to happen for this industry in the long term. Don't try to tell me that taking less is better right now, we're trying to hold these clowns to the fire to pay us what is considered industry standard or better and you all just knifed us in the back. I guess I should say thanks for giving BB and Co. a little more cash for my long awaited raise.
06-24-2011, 12:28 PM
#74
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Joined APC: Nov 2006
Posts: 260
Originally Posted by Mulva
Agreed. My time at APC is done. I'm becoming too much like the 2% crowd and need to go back to the real world. I will make a "Good Faith" effort to change my password to some massively random series of characters. Adios and good luck everybody/
Dolores...OUT!!!!!!!
Dolores...OUT!!!!!!!
I'm glad you are calling it quits. Thank you for your help in removing any respect myself or my co workers had for your union.
06-24-2011, 05:27 PM
#77
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Joined APC: Aug 2005
Posts: 6,408
Originally Posted by hockeypilot44
If that was the case, these pilots would not still be there. Some have had problems with the law, others do not have a degree, and a few are not willing to give up seniority to start over. Frontier can solve all these problems.
06-24-2011, 06:24 PM
#78
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Originally Posted by ToiletDuck
What a tool. What could you possibly have to backup any of your statements?
06-25-2011, 08:01 AM
#79
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Position: ERJ-170
Posts: 139
Originally Posted by Mulva
I can't believe you flat out said that. Are you a RAH pilot? If so, then it's out in the open. Publicly stated. My greatest fear has been confirmed. There is at least one "native" RAH pilot who views this whole cluster as a windfall.
It's interesting that each of us make choices in life or have circumstances dictate them to us. I've done some stupid $h!+ in my life and luckily I'm still alive, have a clean record with law enforcement, a college degree and was willing to give up seniority at a company I was actually happy to work at.
I'm not so certain a GED, DUI and willingness to stick it out at THE most dysfunctional regional in the world would have given me any hope that I could have moved on to a better job.
I probably would have just spent all my money on lottery tickets. I'm not smart enough to have thought about the possibility that the crappy employer I was "stuck" at would buy my next job for me.
I still can't believe you actually said that.
Really? Legal record. No college degree. No desire to sacrifice. No worries - Frontier can solve all of these problems!
Your joking, right? Just flame bait? Please say yes.
It's interesting that each of us make choices in life or have circumstances dictate them to us. I've done some stupid $h!+ in my life and luckily I'm still alive, have a clean record with law enforcement, a college degree and was willing to give up seniority at a company I was actually happy to work at.
I'm not so certain a GED, DUI and willingness to stick it out at THE most dysfunctional regional in the world would have given me any hope that I could have moved on to a better job.
I probably would have just spent all my money on lottery tickets. I'm not smart enough to have thought about the possibility that the crappy employer I was "stuck" at would buy my next job for me.
I still can't believe you actually said that.
Really? Legal record. No college degree. No desire to sacrifice. No worries - Frontier can solve all of these problems!
Your joking, right? Just flame bait? Please say yes.
06-26-2011, 06:58 PM
#80
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Joined APC: Feb 2011
Position: Bus FO
Posts: 316
Originally Posted by Kaptain
Now I see why the vote for concessions had to be rushed through.... Mr. Bedford was about to sign an order for the 80 airbus' in Paris and it was the perfect carrot to dangle .... a promise of "new airplanes with your concessions!"
I think most voted yes for the LOA because of the part where it says BB will divest the majority share of Frontier.
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