if it doesn’t include recalling everyone and reupgrading all the downgrades, it will be a failure.

 

Ain’t happening today and with Christmas next week, they’ll drag it out until after the new year I suspect but I hope I’m wrong.

I’m past my recurrency like many others so I’m guessing there will be some retraining involved if we get recalled?

 

They'll have to back to the sim for a few bounces at a minimum. Those people that are now due for recurrent will have to do an MV/LOE and I'm guessing they'll toss a few warmup sims in there, but that's pure conjecture on my part.

Depends on the language. CARES 1.0 didn't protect against downgrades. Fingers crossed they will.

 

Since the company is planning on taking the latest round of govt money, that means that all furloughed pilots will be called back and paid retroactively from December 1st, correct?

 

We have to look at it holistically from a business standpoint so to speak.

Pilots aren’t the only ones furloughed. We have maintenance staff, ground staff, office staff etc.

Does it make sense to bring pilots back when the company is currently sufficiently staffed and meeting its obligations and pay them to sit reserve? Now they need to factor in cost of sending each person to the sim then most likely have them sit reserve. United has already said there’s no change to their current outlook until the end of Q1 2021.

There is also no guarantee that consumer confidence or air travel will bounce back by March or April and this latest stimulus runs out March end so basically they can bring us back but if things don’t pick up we risk another furlough.

Technically it’s cheaper to keep us pilots furloughed and bring back other people and start gearing up for the eventual return to demand by staffing other areas of operation gradually.

I hope I’m wrong but we aren’t privy to a lot of internal details and workings of how this will fan out from an operational and business standpoint.

Like I mentioned in one of my previous posts, we need a situation whereby the company has staffing issues for flying and HAS to bring us back.

I was miserable about the furlough since September but I’ve accepted it and hope for the best while looking for other opportunities and riding the unemployment pony.

 

Except one major thing, if they accept the money that also subsidizes their current staff. Meaning their labor cost actually goes down if they accept the money. If they don't, they will have to pay for staff on their own.

So if they need to preserve cash in the short term, taking the money makes the most sense, even if they just put the furloughees on payroll and have them do nothing through March.

 

Thanks for that long reply but it didn’t answer my question. They already said they are taking the money, so does that mean they have to bring back everyone that’s furloughed and pay them retroactively from December 1st?

 

In relation to your question, yes if pilots are recalled then they’d have to be paid from December 1st.

It’s all about what the conditions/wording of the money stipulate. They can recall staff and it doesn’t necessarily mean furloughed pilots.

 

Kirby said that there has yet to be any indication that demand will be better than it currently is for a while. Rather than actually recall employees, wouldn’t it burn less cash for a company to just mail them a check for the next few months? It’s payroll support, not work protection.

 

they can recall everyone, pay them 75 hours and not retrain them. Same exact thing you are saying just different wording.