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Old 05-19-2021, 01:28 PM
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Originally Posted by tonsterboy5 View Post
I’m sure the training department will thank the recruiting department on this one. He knows he can fly after years away. I don’t think he has done much research on Air Wisconsin’s training program and the success rate of those who have spent years away.

Mitigating investment risks with potential failed recruits isn’t hard. Instead of guessing who can succeed based on recency of experience, create a recruiting strategy that offers multiple opportunities to various backgrounds and experience levels.

As an example, I was hired by eagle with 370 hours. They offered a RJO program and a 24 month training contract. That protected them from loss in training costs. I stayed for 8 years. My buddies also did the program and are all at mainline AA now.

I am familiar with AW training program.

Also, input is extremely important in today’s business world. I own a successful construction company and I listen to my contractors. Culture is everything.
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Old 05-19-2021, 01:37 PM
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Originally Posted by DarkSideMoon View Post
Yup. It’s best to not treat an initial type ride as an IFR refresher course. There’s a reason they like at least some recency of experience- I’ve noticed my scan get significantly slower during the covid down times. I have no idea how people think they can take a decade off and just hop back in the saddle like it’s nothing.
I suggested feedback as a means to follow a path to get back to that level. This idea that I expect anything beyond that is pure conjecture.
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Old 05-19-2021, 01:55 PM
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To everyone piling on top of me here with sarcasm and jokes, if you read the previous posts I made, I stated that feedback is what I’m looking for. That’s all.

I’m looking for productive dialogue here.

I also suggested that I’m willing to go to SIMCOM and pay the 5k out of pocket if I have a cjo. To go another step further I would still sign a 24 month training contract that says if I don’t make it through ioe, I’ll pay back the cost of training.

Is that not a fair suggestion?
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Old 05-19-2021, 02:53 PM
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Originally Posted by airworld22 View Post
To everyone piling on top of me here with sarcasm and jokes, if you read the previous posts I made, I stated that feedback is what I’m looking for. That’s all.

I’m looking for productive dialogue here.

I also suggested that I’m willing to go to SIMCOM and pay the 5k out of pocket if I have a cjo. To go another step further I would still sign a 24 month training contract that says if I don’t make it through ioe, I’ll pay back the cost of training.

Is that not a fair suggestion?
suggesting that corporations provide individualized feedback to every applicant they get is at best naive. An individualized training contract is also nonsensical. Welcome to job searching in the 21st century, no one is going to hold your hand and coddle you. It's standard in many industries to apply to 100's of jobs and never hear anything back. It sucks, but that's life

In short, they don't do what you suggest because they don't have to.
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Old 05-19-2021, 03:00 PM
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Originally Posted by groundlooper View Post
suggesting that corporations provide individualized feedback to every applicant they get is at best naive. An individualized training contract is also nonsensical. Welcome to job searching in the 21st century, no one is going to hold your hand and coddle you. It's standard in many industries to apply to 100's of jobs and never hear anything back. It sucks, but that's life

In short, they don't do what you suggest because they don't have to.
Show me where I suggested “individualized feedback to every applicant”.

I am an ATP holder. I have 121 experience. Two type ratings. Clean record. Medical.

The only thing I’m missing is recency of experience.

If I was coming with a DUI, no 121 and no ATP than a simple TYNTY generic email would suffice.

I’ll wait wait for your response.
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Old 05-19-2021, 03:29 PM
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Originally Posted by airworld22 View Post
Show me where I suggested “individualized feedback to every applicant”.

I am an ATP holder. I have 121 experience. Two type ratings. Clean record. Medical.

The only thing I’m missing is recency of experience.

If I was coming with a DUI, no 121 and no ATP than a simple TYNTY generic email would suffice.

I’ll wait wait for your response.
That would still be literally hundreds of responses all to say you don't have enough recent experience.
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Old 05-19-2021, 04:47 PM
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That would still be literally hundreds of responses all to say you don't have enough recent experience.
That is a great indicator that a program should be developed to recruit pilots that are not current but have the other requirements.
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Old 05-19-2021, 06:56 PM
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Originally Posted by airworld22 View Post
That is a great indicator that a program should be developed to recruit pilots that are not current but have the other requirements.
Wby would an airline spend that money when they don’t have to? There are hundreds and hundreds of qualified and current pilots looking for jobs as we speak.

I don’t mean to be rude but you aren’t special or unique. There are pilots with 10,000+ hours of 121 time that aren’t getting calls back from regional airlines right now. Your attitude about all of this is honestly strange and you seem to have low SA about the current state of the industry. Yes things are getting better, but there are still a ton more qualified applicants than there are jobs this very moment in time. And all of them require you to be current.

Flip the script here for a second... From a recruiter’s perspective, why would you give someone the time of day, no matter how much previous experience they have when they applied but don’t meet the basic minimums? If being current is a minimum requirement then why wouldn’t you go out and get current before applying? Do you really want to work here if you aren’t even current? I already have too many questions and I have a stack of resumes from pilots I have no questions about. NEXT.
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Old 05-19-2021, 07:10 PM
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Wby would an airline spend that money when they don’t have to? There are hundreds and hundreds of qualified and current pilots looking for jobs as we speak.

I don’t mean to be rude but you aren’t special or unique. There are pilots with 10,000+ hours of 121 time that aren’t getting calls back from regional airlines right now. Your attitude about all of this is honestly strange and you seem to have low SA about the current state of the industry. Yes things are getting better, but there are still a ton more qualified applicants than there are jobs this very moment in time. And all of them require you to be current.

Flip the script here for a second... From a recruiter’s perspective, why would you give someone the time of day, no matter how much previous experience they have when they applied but don’t meet the basic minimums? If being current is a minimum requirement then why wouldn’t you go out and get current before applying? Do you really want to work here if you aren’t even current? I already have too many questions and I have a stack of resumes from pilots I have no questions about. NEXT.
The basic minimums? I do meet the basic minimums.

“Recency of experience will be considered”.

“considered” does not mean required. Change that language and stop wasting my time.


I have no problem going to SIMCOM and paying out of pocket for that.

Clearly this is not about solutions. It’s about poor culture that needs to be corrected.
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Old 05-19-2021, 07:12 PM
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Originally Posted by chrisreedrules View Post
Wby would an airline spend that money when they don’t have to? There are hundreds and hundreds of qualified and current pilots looking for jobs as we speak.

I don’t mean to be rude but you aren’t special or unique. There are pilots with 10,000+ hours of 121 time that aren’t getting calls back from regional airlines right now. Your attitude about all of this is honestly strange and you seem to have low SA about the current state of the industry. Yes things are getting better, but there are still a ton more qualified applicants than there are jobs this very moment in time. And all of them require you to be current.

Flip the script here for a second... From a recruiter’s perspective, why would you give someone the time of day, no matter how much previous experience they have when they applied but don’t meet the basic minimums? If being current is a minimum requirement then why wouldn’t you go out and get current before applying? Do you really want to work here if you aren’t even current? I already have too many questions and I have a stack of resumes from pilots I have no questions about. NEXT.
Also, I am special and unique.
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