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Old 06-27-2017 | 09:42 AM
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Originally Posted by SuperAerobat
They will. At least mine did. I had two great instructors for Indoc and Systems. My systems instructor showed up at our study group session every. single. night. It was well above-and-beyond the scope of his duties and responsibilities but he was a top notch guy. Everyone in my class had absolutely no hiccups getting through ground training. Everyone wants you to succeed (including us on here). To those of you who are joining our team, welcome and enjoy ATW.

I do feel a need to reiterate this though; although we are hurting for pilots, we are in no way compromising our standards. Come here with the attitude "they'll pass me no matter what" and you may as well not even unpack your suitcase. Study, put in the effort, use your resources, and you'll be fine!
Ive heard the airwis training is brutal,not as bad as piedmont but its tough.Alot of limitations and memory items and alot of useless bs they want you to remember..Any truth to the single engine non precision hand flown approaches down to mins in the sim? Fact or fiction.
I know pdt does that garbage,not sure about wiz.
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Old 06-27-2017 | 10:54 AM
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Originally Posted by idlethrust
Ive heard the airwis training is brutal,not as bad as piedmont but its tough.Alot of limitations and memory items and alot of useless bs they want you to remember..Any truth to the single engine non precision hand flown approaches down to mins in the sim? Fact or fiction.
I know pdt does that garbage,not sure about wiz.
Brutal? Garbage?
I'm six weeks into AW’s training (from another regional) and my experience is anything but brutal or garbage. In fact, the instructors, new and experienced, have been professional, competent and helpful.

All the classes, requirements, expectations, memory items, etc. have been reasonable. Completion standards would be expected of any pilot who wants to fly the general public for a living. AW has some terminology they use that is more wordy than I think necessary, but it's their sandbox and it's the way they do it.

Starting sims in a couple of days. Just talked with two friends that are in the middle of sims now. No complaints of anything unreasonable, overly difficult. I hope we do get a good number of SE NP approaches to fly by hand. Why would I not want that? Isn't that what the sim is for, training for situations, especially emergency/SE situations?

Not sure what your concern would be about hand flying an approach. You posted in March:

"I handfly whenever possible, whenever I want.When I brief the arrival-approach I'll tell them the ap is coming off at this fix or dme or whatever and as long as you know what you're doing it shouldn't be an issue. Once handflew from little Rock to clt when the FMS and ap failed.Hand flying in green needles.Lots of fun.
You need to do it to stay sharp so when you have to do it you can.”

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"In my opinion, pilots nowadays are too dependant on automation."
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Old 06-27-2017 | 11:39 AM
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Originally Posted by idlethrust
Ive heard the airwis training is brutal,not as bad as piedmont but its tough.Alot of limitations and memory items and alot of useless bs they want you to remember..Any truth to the single engine non precision hand flown approaches down to mins in the sim? Fact or fiction.
I know pdt does that garbage,not sure about wiz.
If you can't handfly that, you probably shouldn't be in 121.
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Old 06-27-2017 | 12:51 PM
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Originally Posted by idlethrust
Ive heard the airwis training is brutal,not as bad as piedmont but its tough.Alot of limitations and memory items and alot of useless bs they want you to remember..Any truth to the single engine non precision hand flown approaches down to mins in the sim? Fact or fiction.
I know pdt does that garbage,not sure about wiz.
It's a requirement at all airlines, as well as by the FAA, if you can't do that in the real world anyways, you should maybe find a new career.
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Old 06-27-2017 | 01:46 PM
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Originally Posted by prex8390
It's a requirement at all airlines, as well as by the FAA, if you can't do that in the real world anyways, you should maybe find a new career.
Didnt say i couldn't do it,i think maybe you guys misunderstood the context of the question, but i get it .
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Old 06-27-2017 | 05:41 PM
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Originally Posted by idlethrust
Ive heard the airwis training is brutal,not as bad as piedmont but its tough.Alot of limitations and memory items and alot of useless bs they want you to remember..Any truth to the single engine non precision hand flown approaches down to mins in the sim? Fact or fiction.
I know pdt does that garbage,not sure about wiz.
Training is brutal here. Instructors will hit you, yell and you and berate you. If you do something really stupid, they'll pour sulphuric acid on your genitals or give you electric shock to your genitals.
Expect a few black eyes and some broken bones.
Now, in all seriousness. The instructors are there for you. They want you to pass and do well. It's a reflection on them. What you need to do is stop worrying about the hand held single engine non precision approaches. Nail them during your sim lessons and it'll be a piece of cake on your type ride.
Instead of worrying about **** you hear, come in with a positive attitude and be well prepared. Know your flows, limitations, memory items, call outs and profiles and procedures. That's 90% of your battle. The flying part, will come. And the instructors will give you good oral prep.
If the examiner is digging deep on the oral, he or she is trying to get you through. If you have strong knowledge of a system, they'll ask some questions and move on. It's like driving your car. You have to know a little bit about the features before you can use them.
Same concept with the plane.
It's not hard at all. It's just a lot of work. If you're willing to put the work in, great! Come aboard and we'd love to have you. If your attitude sucks and you don't want to put in the work, we don't want or need you. Besides they'll weed those out anyway.
Just my $.02
Take it for what it's worth
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Old 06-27-2017 | 05:46 PM
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Originally Posted by idlethrust
Didnt say i couldn't do it,i think maybe you guys misunderstood the context of the question, but i get it .
Training at awac compared to other airlines here is a lot tougher than most, the training department is still mostly staffed by a bunch of "old guys" who have been there for 20 years and want the standards of pre AQP. It's passable but you will need to work hard as goes for any airline, I studied and got through it with no issues but the amount of "gee wiz" material taught and expected of you was a lot more than my now airline.
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Old 06-27-2017 | 06:11 PM
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Originally Posted by prex8390
Training at awac compared to other airlines here is a lot tougher than most, the training department is still mostly staffed by a bunch of "old guys" who have been there for 20 years and want the standards of pre AQP. It's passable but you will need to work hard as goes for any airline, I studied and got through it with no issues but the amount of "gee wiz" material taught and expected of you was a lot more than my now airline.
Thats the kind of info i was looking for.
Thank You
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Old 06-27-2017 | 06:34 PM
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Originally Posted by prex8390
Training at awac compared to other airlines here is a lot tougher than most, the training department is still mostly staffed by a bunch of "old guys" who have been there for 20 years and want the standards of pre AQP. It's passable but you will need to work hard as goes for any airline, I studied and got through it with no issues but the amount of "gee wiz" material taught and expected of you was a lot more than my now airline.
What airline do you work for now Prex? I bet that this information will help us all evaluate your comment.
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Old 06-27-2017 | 08:12 PM
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Originally Posted by prex8390
Training at awac compared to other airlines here is a lot tougher than most, the training department is still mostly staffed by a bunch of "old guys" who have been there for 20 years and want the standards of pre AQP. It's passable but you will need to work hard as goes for any airline, I studied and got through it with no issues but the amount of "gee wiz" material taught and expected of you was a lot more than my now airline.
Presently, there are no "old guys" that I've run into, perhaps at the sim later this week. Zero "gee wiz" stuff. If you are eager to learn, do what you're told, study what they ask you to, come prepared, then life is great. Lots to study, but nothing overly taxing or complicated. There is a lot for a rookie to take in, but that's the same with any first 121. If you want to be here, have a great attitude and keep making progress they will get you through. If you are coming over from another 121 you'll do fine. Biggest challenge for me has been unlearning former company's callouts.
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