You forgot to half it.. 600/2 = 300 pilots over the next 3 years.


(just playing around mostly)

 

I don't blame anyone for leaving for a better gig... but Envoy, in my opinion, is not a better gig. Commuting sucks, so if that is a factor then maybe, but you will be min days off at Envoy with days off rolled and junior manning, etc. Things are not improving at any regional.

I have done 7 years of corporate and charter and it is 90% of the time not a better gig. There are certainly good corporate gigs out there but they are so few.

The toxic employee culture is toward management... not each other. I like almost every person I have flown with, save a few weirdos. The stagnation has come but 2017 was a decent year. I was hired at the end of 2016 and am 55% in base at LAX. The junk contract is a big deal but hopefully some important aspects can be fixed in 2020. The job is not perfect but it is way better than a lot of jobs out there.

Is it better than the Big 4? No.. definitely not.

 

Sounds like you got hired at a good time. A new hire will not have the same experience. They will see zero movement and uncertainty since we can’t figure out our direction and run away from competition.

 

We’ll just solve that by not having any new hires!

 

Well we only have 2800 pilots so yes 2021 3,400 would be the number.

 

We have more than 2,800. Isn’t AS about 2050 and 875 respectively.

 

869 + 1922 = 2791 so yes I was rounding up. Company expects to lose 15 FO’s between now and December 1st, so 2776.

 

Ok that’s not what the Sept 1 seniority lists are showing. I see 2013 + 875.

 

I am sure you are right. All I ever do is make numbers up... mine are never accurate.

Call DM on Monday and get back to us all.

 

I see the difference. Your number is base position list (1922) while 2013 is system seniority list, including pilots on leave, etc. Regardless, being 2900 now and 3500 by 2021 is optimistic. With a 2% growth for 2019 it sounds doubtful but who knows what surprises they concoct up.