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09-13-2020, 09:46 PM
#141
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Originally Posted by OTZeagle1
Way to early to tell. Probably, they would like to modify JetBlue scope and keep the EJets running seats.
09-14-2020, 04:51 AM
#142
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Originally Posted by OTZeagle1
An Alaska Blue merger, my guess is management would like to modify JetBlue scope and keep the EJets running seats.
This post and your previous post show just how ridiculously STUPID AS management is and the reason they will languish as an also- ran left without a seat at the adult table.
09-14-2020, 06:41 AM
#143
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Originally Posted by copy
Not sure about the AS guys, but I know of about 4,100 B6 pilots who would not vote yes to any JCBA that allowed outsourced RJs. Not sure how that would work out.
That's assuming the pilot group with better scope actually WANTS the merger, they often enhance the long-term prospects of both companies. Or management could offer a signing bonus.
Lots of ways to compromise, cap FFD at the existing ration vs. the combined mainline fleet, or even have a phase-out program over time.... pilots have a longer event-horizon than most managers.
But there have been M&A's which failed due to unions digging in their heels, notably OO vs. EV (round one).
09-14-2020, 06:44 AM
#144
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Originally Posted by OTZeagle1
Way to early to tell. LUV, most likely would pay the penalty to Skywest and turn out the lights at QX. An Alaska Blue merger, my guess is management would like to modify JetBlue scope and keep the EJets running seats.
09-14-2020, 06:49 AM
#145
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In what fantasy land do airlines even have that kind of scratch?
The entire industry can barely keep its head above water and we are waxing about mergers that just shut down entire airlines?
The denial about furlough makes sense I guess, no one can read a balance sheet it seems.
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The entire industry can barely keep its head above water and we are waxing about mergers that just shut down entire airlines?
The denial about furlough makes sense I guess, no one can read a balance sheet it seems.
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09-14-2020, 06:56 AM
#146
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Originally Posted by rickair7777
Meh. Merger's have happened with carve-outs for the existing scope allowance of the merger partner or at least some compromise. It's usually financially implausible to just ditch all FFD flying overnight, especially if you own a regional.
That's assuming the pilot group with better scope actually WANTS the merger, they often enhance the long-term prospects of both companies. Or management could offer a signing bonus.
Lots of ways to compromise, cap FFD at the existing ration vs. the combined mainline fleet, or even have a phase-out program over time.... pilots have a longer event-horizon than most managers.
But there have been M&A's which failed due to unions digging in their heels, notably OO vs. EV (round one).
That's assuming the pilot group with better scope actually WANTS the merger, they often enhance the long-term prospects of both companies. Or management could offer a signing bonus.
Lots of ways to compromise, cap FFD at the existing ration vs. the combined mainline fleet, or even have a phase-out program over time.... pilots have a longer event-horizon than most managers.
But there have been M&A's which failed due to unions digging in their heels, notably OO vs. EV (round one).
09-14-2020, 07:24 AM
#147
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Originally Posted by NewGuy01
In what fantasy land do airlines even have that kind of scratch?
The entire industry can barely keep its head above water and we are waxing about mergers that just shut down entire airlines?
The denial about furlough makes sense I guess, no one can read a balance sheet it seems.
The entire industry can barely keep its head above water and we are waxing about mergers that just shut down entire airlines?
The denial about furlough makes sense I guess, no one can read a balance sheet it seems.
Also if the other alternative is Ch.11, shareholders might go for a stock-swap or the like... the better-positioned company's share-holders gets growth, the not-so-better positioned shareholders get shares that are worth something.
09-14-2020, 03:26 PM
#148
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Originally Posted by HulkaBurger
Right. Good luck with that.
This post and your previous post show just how ridiculously STUPID AS management is and the reason they will languish as an also- ran left without a seat at the adult table.
This post and your previous post show just how ridiculously STUPID AS management is and the reason they will languish as an also- ran left without a seat at the adult table.
09-14-2020, 05:04 PM
#149
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Originally Posted by ElCaribe
I think they make plenty of money and hand out plenty of dividends to shareholders to not care. Hating a management for mistreating employees and contracts is one thing but hating them for not making money and being successful is another. But you’re probably right. You’re a pilot therefore you know more.
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