Alaska General Discussion
01-28-2026 | 03:53 PM
#2091
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The mock SLI posted on Alyeska is concerning. I’m honestly surprised the union is allowing someone to publish a speculative seniority integration using what appears to be membership data. Putting out an unofficial “mock” list feels unnecessary and inflammatory it’s almost guaranteed to create anxiety and division among pilots.
What bothers me even more is the data side of it. Requiring an @alaska email to sign up means a third party is collecting and storing verified company email addresses tied to membership information. That’s not something I’m comfortable with. Even if you don’t actively sign up, it sounds like your information may already exist in their database, which raises real privacy and security questions.
His project seems like it croses the line from “helpful tool” into “unauthorized data use,” and I’m surprised the union hasn’t stepped in. I may reach out to them directly to make sure they’re aware it exists.
What bothers me even more is the data side of it. Requiring an @alaska email to sign up means a third party is collecting and storing verified company email addresses tied to membership information. That’s not something I’m comfortable with. Even if you don’t actively sign up, it sounds like your information may already exist in their database, which raises real privacy and security questions.
His project seems like it croses the line from “helpful tool” into “unauthorized data use,” and I’m surprised the union hasn’t stepped in. I may reach out to them directly to make sure they’re aware it exists.
01-28-2026 | 04:40 PM
#2092
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I don't GAS if they have a list of company emails though. Or maybe the guy just looks you up when you register, I think that's OK since you provided the email.
01-28-2026 | 04:56 PM
#2093
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I am concerned that it's giving an unrealistic expectation as to where Alaska pilots are going to wind up on the final list. I asked politely for a worst case for us scenario and that got the thread shut down.
I don't GAS if they have a list of company emails though. Or maybe the guy just looks you up when you register, I think that's OK since you provided the email.
I don't GAS if they have a list of company emails though. Or maybe the guy just looks you up when you register, I think that's OK since you provided the email.
01-28-2026 | 05:01 PM
#2094
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well I am to blame I would of been fine with it if he didn’t load all of our name.name emails into it which I feel like isn’t to unrealistic not have my company email on some random 3rd party server in which we have no visablity into the security protocols or accountability if that 3rd party service gets hacked/data leak
01-28-2026 | 05:24 PM
#2095
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In that case, based on todays numbers, you'd have 315 xHAL widebody captains at the top (78 on the freighter, 21 Seattle 787, 39 HNL 787, and 177 HNL 330), followed by 136 xHAL 321NEO captains. Then you'd have (based on the hawaksa merger site) 1757 xAlaska 737 captains, followed by 88 xHAL 717 captains.
On the FO side you'd have 412 xHAL Widebody FOs (70 from the 330F, 36 SEA787, 61 HNL787 and 345 HNL330), followed by 142 321 FOs, then 1596 737 FOs, and finally the 104 717 FOs.
Obviously having a 1991 xAlaska hire being 451 (which on the HAL side is a 2016 hire I think) down the list (or even 315 (2011 I think) down the list if you discount the 321NEO being a difference category than the 737) isn't a realistic thing.
But (unrealistic) worst case... yeah, that's probably it.
01-28-2026 | 05:34 PM
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I'm no longer a boeing fan boy, got disillusioned along the way somewhere.
But Ortberg seems to be doing all of the right stuff, and while I suspect there are people in that organization who just have bad instincts, as long as you hold consequences over their head maybe they stay with the new program. But agree they need to be watched very carefully for a very long time. Kind of like "Trust but Verify" without the "Trust" part.
But Ortberg seems to be doing all of the right stuff, and while I suspect there are people in that organization who just have bad instincts, as long as you hold consequences over their head maybe they stay with the new program. But agree they need to be watched very carefully for a very long time. Kind of like "Trust but Verify" without the "Trust" part.
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01-28-2026 | 05:51 PM
#2097
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Switching gears Southwest earnings are out from what I can read
DAL 9.8
UA 7.8
AS 2.8
WN 2
AA 1.4
so 5.5% bonus it looks like
so I think we did it someone else can read WN earrings and confirm but I think we got third
Also re reading the As q4 earrings I didn’t realize the SAN TUSLA was year round what is the connection? It military? Or is there another industry in Tulsa
DAL 9.8
UA 7.8
AS 2.8
WN 2
AA 1.4
so 5.5% bonus it looks like
so I think we did it someone else can read WN earrings and confirm but I think we got third
Also re reading the As q4 earrings I didn’t realize the SAN TUSLA was year round what is the connection? It military? Or is there another industry in Tulsa
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01-28-2026 | 06:19 PM
#2098
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Totally unrealistic Alaska worst case scenario (and again... I don't see ANY WAY that this would actually happen) would be going category and class based on WB, 321NEO (because it's a higher payrate than "737" at most other airlines), 737, and then 717.
In that case, based on todays numbers, you'd have 315 xHAL widebody captains at the top (78 on the freighter, 21 Seattle 787, 39 HNL 787, and 177 HNL 330), followed by 136 xHAL 321NEO captains. Then you'd have (based on the hawaksa merger site) 1757 xAlaska 737 captains, followed by 88 xHAL 717 captains.
On the FO side you'd have 412 xHAL Widebody FOs (70 from the 330F, 36 SEA787, 61 HNL787 and 345 HNL330), followed by 142 321 FOs, then 1596 737 FOs, and finally the 104 717 FOs.
Obviously having a 1991 xAlaska hire being 451 (which on the HAL side is a 2016 hire I think) down the list (or even 315 (2011 I think) down the list if you discount the 321NEO being a difference category than the 737) isn't a realistic thing.
But (unrealistic) worst case... yeah, that's probably it.
In that case, based on todays numbers, you'd have 315 xHAL widebody captains at the top (78 on the freighter, 21 Seattle 787, 39 HNL 787, and 177 HNL 330), followed by 136 xHAL 321NEO captains. Then you'd have (based on the hawaksa merger site) 1757 xAlaska 737 captains, followed by 88 xHAL 717 captains.
On the FO side you'd have 412 xHAL Widebody FOs (70 from the 330F, 36 SEA787, 61 HNL787 and 345 HNL330), followed by 142 321 FOs, then 1596 737 FOs, and finally the 104 717 FOs.
Obviously having a 1991 xAlaska hire being 451 (which on the HAL side is a 2016 hire I think) down the list (or even 315 (2011 I think) down the list if you discount the 321NEO being a difference category than the 737) isn't a realistic thing.
But (unrealistic) worst case... yeah, that's probably it.
Not really about what it pays at other properties but what it pays historically at HAL…what has a 330 paid over there traditionally over AS. 10%ish???
I’m going 60/40 like the VX merger with a 5 year fence on the 330 CA slots in HNL.
01-28-2026 | 06:56 PM
#2099
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Prior to the MRA concept in 2022, where you guys just matched the industry average, I think the HAL 330 paid about 20% more than the Alaska 737. We were at $337 in 2022 and I think you guys were at $270?
01-28-2026 | 07:01 PM
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