2loud

Isn't that ALPO's job, $$$ management? I'm guessing Alaskan pilots give ALPO approximately $3 million (low end) annually in dues alone.
Quite honestly, Alaskan pilots as a whole doesn't have a snow ball's chance in ever getting even a fraction of what they'll shoot for. Has this pilot group ever been victorious against the company in anything, except for the -900 pay which I heard was was a total fluke? Two thirds of the pilot group are blind-ignorant-weak-fragile-fearful-short sighted-spineless sheep led by lame wolves in sheep's skin. Not to sound so pessimistic but I have lost all hope for this pilot group. The only sure thing is how I am going to vote.
These discussions are entertaining and at times thought provoking but it's just that-discussions. So, you are absolutely correct sir!

No scope, no job. End of story. Sick leave policy....ALPO always caves. What does the FAR say regarding "fit for duty/fit to fly"? Until that language is changed, good luck trying to use scare tactics. Seeing how this society is moving towards the extreme left, changes for the worse are probably coming.
As for PBS, the secret police and Judas have already ensured that can of worms was open before being put away into the MOU closet, thanks to ALPO. They'll back door that soon.
This pilot group never learns from the simple concept of "good cop, bad cop" during negotiations. Sadly, it will be ground hog day UNLESS folks wake up, educate themselves, and be willing to FIGHT TO WIN (and not just go through the motions).

CassinAK

I disagree 100% with your scope thoughts. Who cares how good the rest of our contract is if we don't have a job. 45 EMB-175s is an issue.

Packrat

Actually, the -900 deal was a result of the pilots working together to suck the most money out of the Company. Guys who bid -900 lines dropped trips into open time, keeping one trip to ensure they would get the -900 rate for their entire month. The dropped trips were then picked up by other pilots which ensured THEY would get -900 pay for the entire month.

Eventually, the Company acquiesced and extended the pay rate to everybody. It was one time where everybody worked together to get a beneficial outcome for the whole pilot group. That is the attitude you will need to add if you want a victory getting scope language. I wish you luck with that endeavor.

Historically, AS has been inflexible on that subject. You're seeing why now.

gooddeal

Unless you feel that AAG will park and/or decline options on 737s in lieu of ERJ/CRJ flying, then I'm willing to listen. If you are a QX pilot, you have my full attention about scope. Otherwise this pilot group has been managed by contract and arbitration without substituting 737 jobs for others within AS. I'd rather use a no vote to have better pay, compensation and working conditions far above scope language.

ogilthorpe

Almost all of our smaller 737s (-400 and -700s) will be gone very soon. Do you really not expect to see 70 seat RJs (and the 90+ seaters that will probably follow) on many of those routes?

gooddeal

Yet you have been employed as a pilot for how long.....? With that robust scope language in how many contracts? Again, within AAG the QX pilots have a concrete case for protection on the outsourcing of jobs. I'm curious to know what percentage (with 1% being minuscule chance to 100% meaning your currently interviewing anywhere) that you feel that a 737 job will disappear at AS and given to a third party based on scope language?

ExperimentalAB

Do you not carry home insurance, vehicle insurance, or any other protection? How is it that you're willing to live without the ONLY career insurance you have as a mainline pilot. You are out of your mind if you think with the small 737s gone that that flying will not be gobbled up by a regional. That's a loss, my friend.

gooddeal

Probably...but that's what QX was supposed to be within AAG. The fleet plan does not indicate a negative trend on future airframes so the old jets departing isn't a net negative on the pilot group. Flying empty 737s on routes to depress the value of the company Due to some scope clause...possibly making AS a target for acquisition seems to be a greater evil but that's just me.

gooddeal

How did you ever start working here without it? Seriously....

BTW, you have to pay out extra for insurances so you would also be willing to take a pay loss now to cover your scope insurance. Doubtful...

ogilthorpe

The company has already demonstrated (via QX pilots and the Seattle rampers) that if a cheaper option comes their way they will take it. I don't see anything that would keep them from doing the same to us over time. Also, I would respectfully submit that you're setting the bar too low if you are taking the position that anything short of furloughs or fewer airframes is not a problem to our pilot group.

Also, I certainly don't want to see empty 737-800's flying those routes, I'd like to see smaller jets flown by Alaska (or at a minimum air group) pilots on those routes.