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09-06-2015 | 09:47 AM
#571
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When asked why the negotiators think that scope isn't worth the paper it's written, one of the ALPO reps said that scope is something the pilot group can get during bad economic conditions. Why, because we can't get money out of the company so we'll just have to settle for scope? Seriously, that's what this guy said. That's just plain retarded. This is who we have negotiating for us. Pathetic!
"Willing to give up?".... ZERO! Kasher took pretty much everything; we don't owe the company anything. We can score Academy winning contracts for the next 3 decades and it won't make up for all of the losses-not even close. Alaskan is making all time record profits and did they return a penny back to this pilot group? CEO pay has gone up by 937% since 1978. Yeah, they make more than 10 times what they made 30 years ago. What did a 747 captain make it 1978? What's he making today? Greed never stops. Why do you think labor has to give up anything? Wake up, boys 'n girls! Change the mentality and change the game!
"Willing to give up?".... ZERO! Kasher took pretty much everything; we don't owe the company anything. We can score Academy winning contracts for the next 3 decades and it won't make up for all of the losses-not even close. Alaskan is making all time record profits and did they return a penny back to this pilot group? CEO pay has gone up by 937% since 1978. Yeah, they make more than 10 times what they made 30 years ago. What did a 747 captain make it 1978? What's he making today? Greed never stops. Why do you think labor has to give up anything? Wake up, boys 'n girls! Change the mentality and change the game!
09-06-2015 | 09:47 AM
#572
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So much discontent here... We should all be thankful that we're employed at all. Time to buy in. Heck, we should all make our own baseball trading cards and hand them out individually to all the MVP Gold & 75K passengers.
*sarcasm intended*
*sarcasm intended*
09-06-2015 | 01:53 PM
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Don't think you guys need to take a hit in pay for scope. AA and delta 737 rates are already higher, so there is some leverage for the higher pay rates. Then just a few more quarters of record profits then you have it. Money for raises and enough buck in the bank to get scope.
09-06-2015 | 02:22 PM
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Scope is a big issue and it is a highly reasonable and necessary part of a contract. Perhaps there is a way around how we think of scope altogether.. How about setting a new industry precedent and integrating all aircraft and labor into one company with one contract.. Laughable perhaps, and it opens up a whole new slew of questions/issues, but it is something I have thought about for quite some time.
Combining Horizon and Alaska makes a lot of sense from labor's/business perspective but it's $$$ and politics for the greedy folks up top.
Who knows....in their little minds, it could be air group's back up plan to keep Horizon's commuter/regional certificate just incase they can't survive in the major airline world, in which case they'll just become another Skywest, Republic, Mesa, etc. After all, Alaskan is quickly becoming the Mesa of the legacy/major airlines.
09-06-2015 | 06:57 PM
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That baseball card thing is creepy....tells the FO's that he wants all checklists done 20 min before departure.....so he can go screw off in the back...I think I would head to the lav in the terminal about 25 prior and come back at departure time....just plain wierd and they champion this guy....no wonder we are the lowest compensated........frig
09-06-2015 | 08:03 PM
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That baseball card thing is creepy....tells the FO's that he wants all checklists done 20 min before departure.....so he can go screw off in the back...I think I would head to the lav in the terminal about 25 prior and come back at departure time....just plain wierd and they champion this guy....no wonder we are the lowest compensated........frig
It's really a joke that they featured this on the company website. Then, you read the comments under the article. Someone was gushing about what a great idea this is and that all captains should do this. Really? Who's going to pay for it? Only a handful are gullible enough to spend their own money on something silly.
As a matter of safety & security, I would never print my name on a card and hand it to some random passenger. Heck, I don't even like the FAs announcing my name during their introductory PA.
Pilots need to focus on their duties. Going in the cabin and schmoozing with the passengers detracts from conduct of safe flight operations.
09-08-2015 | 10:17 AM
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The good side is Alaska is a very stable company with a history of coservative management. They grow internally. The bases are in places where people want to live. Most of the flying is single time zone. Lots of great people work there...pilots, F/As and CSAs.
All the problems people talk about here are pretty minor in the great view of things. And all the problems ar Alaska are at every airline you'll ever work for.
All the problems people talk about here are pretty minor in the great view of things. And all the problems ar Alaska are at every airline you'll ever work for.
09-08-2015 | 12:30 PM
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The good side is Alaska is a very stable company with a history of coservative management. They grow internally. The bases are in places where people want to live. Most of the flying is single time zone. Lots of great people work there...pilots, F/As and CSAs.
All the problems people talk about here are pretty minor in the great view of things. And all the problems ar Alaska are at every airline you'll ever work for.
All the problems people talk about here are pretty minor in the great view of things. And all the problems ar Alaska are at every airline you'll ever work for.
09-08-2015 | 12:57 PM
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Agree 100%. Alaska employees give 110% every day. That's why Alaska has the most loyal, enthusiastic customer base in the industry. It's a shame that while the Company gives you lip service about how great you guys are, they refuse to follow through and treat you like the jewels you truly are.
That, frankly, sucks.
That, frankly, sucks.
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