Alaska thread for Alaska pilots...
09-26-2015, 04:45 PM
#591
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Originally Posted by CassinAK
It seems a huge part of the problem is a lot of the 50ish year old captains upgraded in 5 years and have almost been a captain during their entire Alaska career. Now they see the end of their career coming and only care about maxing out their pensions. They could careless about all the new hires career protection. They would rather get a pay raise even if the our flying shrunk cause once they leave all that matters is Alaska being around to pay their pension.
09-26-2015, 05:14 PM
#592
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Originally Posted by ExperimentalAB
Add the additional THIRTY large RJs coming and right there is your job disappearance. Those jets ought to be flown by Alaska pilots. Period.
Originally Posted by Klsytakesit
Baja my brother.....It is a shame that you had to leave Alaskans world for Widget world to find brothers and sisters with ballz....
09-29-2015, 10:16 AM
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Originally Posted by Going2Baja
You think the money grubbing fools from Angle Lake care about pilot to jet ratio's? Tell that to the furloughees from a few short years ago. You could also ask the guys & gals from Horizon that not only lost their jobs but then got to watch another airline fly THEIR jets on THEIR routes while they tried to find new work. How much did AAG care about that?
Watch your arse - you you may be next!
Baja.
Watch your arse - you you may be next!
Baja.
How much did the last Alaska TA pass by?
How many pilots picked up extra flying while pilots were furloughed?
How much open time is grabbed by pilots over vacation time?
Better yet, you left Alaska for master widget and how did that management group reward pilots on the recent TA despite all the pilot efforts?
How would I feel if I were a QX pilot watching my job get outsourced has the same answer to how I would feel if I was an AS pilot working for the 8th largest U.S. carrier and got merged/acquired by a larger competitor. Do you really believe there is one U.S. passenger airline immune to pilots getting axed or feeling the effects of seniority list integration? I don't either.
09-29-2015, 10:25 AM
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Originally Posted by gooddeal
Money grubbing fools works against the pilot group too.
How much did the last Alaska TA pass by?
How many pilots picked up extra flying while pilots were furloughed?
How much open time is grabbed by pilots over vacation time?
Better yet, you left Alaska for master widget and how did that management group reward pilots on the recent TA despite all the pilot efforts?
How would I feel if I were a QX pilot watching my job get outsourced has the same answer to how I would feel if I was an AS pilot working for the 8th largest U.S. carrier and got merged/acquired by a larger competitor. Do you really believe there is one U.S. passenger airline immune to pilots getting axed or feeling the effects of seniority list integration? I don't either.
How much did the last Alaska TA pass by?
How many pilots picked up extra flying while pilots were furloughed?
How much open time is grabbed by pilots over vacation time?
Better yet, you left Alaska for master widget and how did that management group reward pilots on the recent TA despite all the pilot efforts?
How would I feel if I were a QX pilot watching my job get outsourced has the same answer to how I would feel if I was an AS pilot working for the 8th largest U.S. carrier and got merged/acquired by a larger competitor. Do you really believe there is one U.S. passenger airline immune to pilots getting axed or feeling the effects of seniority list integration? I don't either.
09-29-2015, 10:38 AM
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Originally Posted by ExperimentalAB
That is exactly it. I won't disagree with perspective, but that is not where our difference lies. Outsourcing, especially of that magnitude, is most definitely, by any definition a loss of jobs. It takes the organic growth that Alaska employees have earned with their customer service, sweat, and time away from family, and gives it instead to a contractor. Those are pilots that should be on the seniority list below you and not on another list entirely.
JetBlue seems to have a workable business model for narrow body/RJ operations so to think that couldn't happen with AAG isn't far fetched. But to have the current profitability of QX operations in terms of feed vs cost to an AS operation featuring E175/737 operations is not realistic either. So something has to change and I don't see an option that protects all jobs within AAG. Cricket mentioned the potential impact of E175 in relation to the ANC 737 base and that certainly is a realistic impact to AS jobs but I don't think any pilot truly believes the 737 operations with Essential Air Service has been profitable so how long does that continue unchanged? More importantly, how does the AS pilot group respond to ideas of profitable bases/operations? I'm to guess that Cricket would have ANC themed ideas (along with the rest of the ANC base) that are different than LAX pilots, etc.
This is the discussion I've been trying to have, especially in advance of the next TA...wholly with the interests of the AS pilot group in mind and without emotion or belittling.
09-29-2015, 10:43 AM
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Originally Posted by TheTransporter
Sounds like rationalization of previous decisions, whether right or wrong. Pilots at the other 7 might disagree on merger protection over scope.
09-29-2015, 10:50 AM
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Originally Posted by gooddeal
If scope wasn't on the table last contract, or the previous one, I wouldn't expect to see it on the next one...even with what outcome QX and E175 flying produces.
09-29-2015, 04:50 PM
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Originally Posted by 2loud
I wouldn't say "50ish" year old captains but more like in the top 50% of the captain's seniority list. Just like the current generation, they too feel entitled. How many times do you hear these guys say, "well, I've paid my dues too!"? Upgraded at 4 years, divorced 3 times, couple of foreclosures on 2nd & 3rd homes.... yeah, they've paid the price alright.
09-29-2015, 04:51 PM
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Originally Posted by 2loud
Generally speaking, majority of the people are sheep.
As for Alaskan, if you study the demographics of this pilot group, you will figure out why there are more than our share of sheep. We can count on attrition to get rid of the sheep but as you've stated, the company does a good job of hiring a new breed of sheep. This small pilot group reminds me of a bad cult movie.
As for Alaskan, if you study the demographics of this pilot group, you will figure out why there are more than our share of sheep. We can count on attrition to get rid of the sheep but as you've stated, the company does a good job of hiring a new breed of sheep. This small pilot group reminds me of a bad cult movie.
09-29-2015, 06:41 PM
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Originally Posted by Seaslap8
Judging by your last few posts, you do not seem to have a very high opinion of your fellow pilots, you actually seem to hold them in very low regard...is it really that bad?
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