What do you expect with new contract?
#113
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From: 737 tiller master
As to the original question for this thread...
Here is what I expect...
No PBS!
$280/$190 per hour...
Define "inadequate reserve coverage"
No penalty for vacation... i.e. Vacation months pay at least the value of the line bid...
An across the board 2% increase to the 401(k)
A real scope clause with seat/weight/airframe limits... both high and low...
An additional day off for reserves...
And a sick leave increase...
And "no" I will not give up anything to get those things...
Here is what I expect...
No PBS!
$280/$190 per hour...
Define "inadequate reserve coverage"
No penalty for vacation... i.e. Vacation months pay at least the value of the line bid...
An across the board 2% increase to the 401(k)
A real scope clause with seat/weight/airframe limits... both high and low...
An additional day off for reserves...
And a sick leave increase...
And "no" I will not give up anything to get those things...
$280/$190 to start w/6% annual increase minimum-completely doable with greater of block hours flown or 6 hours of pay per calendar day, 6 hours for vacation day, and 6 hours for training day. Raise min guarantee for both block & reserve pilots. For the w****es and the lazy, get rid of the min and max.
17% into 401k and snap up to 19% by the end of the contract. Bring back the pension plan with the ability to choose between straight 401k or pension plan.
Scope-76 seats or less and put a % cap of flying that can be done by them.
15 days off for reserves.
Sick leave similar to Delta or better.
Paid training lodging for new hires plus per diem.
Per diem raised to $5/hr. It's been $2/hr since when ($2.15 in our last contract-woo hoo!)???
Better crew meal language
Better hotel language
$300 to drive to co-terminal bases with parking included
ETOPS/International pay of $10/$8 per hour for the entire pairing
Some of you may laugh at this but the airgroup is more than capable of accommodating our requests. They raped us during Kasher and they've been making $$$ hand over fist since then. Can you say RECORD PROFITS? We've been leaving $150 million + on the table every negotiations for I can't remember how long. Just based on compounding interest alone, they can pay us and then some.
This will not be give and take but only take on our part. No more concessions, ALPA!!!
#114
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PBS-H**l NO! I know many Virgin guys want this but you will not like PBS controlled by the airgroup.
$280/$190 to start w/6% annual increase minimum-completely doable with greater of block hours flown or 6 hours of pay per calendar day, 6 hours for vacation day, and 6 hours for training day. Raise min guarantee for both block & reserve pilots. For the w****es and the lazy, get rid of the min and max.
17% into 401k and snap up to 19% by the end of the contract. Bring back the pension plan with the ability to choose between straight 401k or pension plan.
Scope-76 seats or less and put a % cap of flying that can be done by them.
15 days off for reserves.
Sick leave similar to Delta or better.
Paid training lodging for new hires plus per diem.
Per diem raised to $5/hr. It's been $2/hr since when ($2.15 in our last contract-woo hoo!)???
Better crew meal language
Better hotel language
$300 to drive to co-terminal bases with parking included
ETOPS/International pay of $10/$8 per hour for the entire pairing
Some of you may laugh at this but the airgroup is more than capable of accommodating our requests. They raped us during Kasher and they've been making $$$ hand over fist since then. Can you say RECORD PROFITS? We've been leaving $150 million + on the table every negotiations for I can't remember how long. Just based on compounding interest alone, they can pay us and then some.
This will not be give and take but only take on our part. No more concessions, ALPA!!!
$280/$190 to start w/6% annual increase minimum-completely doable with greater of block hours flown or 6 hours of pay per calendar day, 6 hours for vacation day, and 6 hours for training day. Raise min guarantee for both block & reserve pilots. For the w****es and the lazy, get rid of the min and max.
17% into 401k and snap up to 19% by the end of the contract. Bring back the pension plan with the ability to choose between straight 401k or pension plan.
Scope-76 seats or less and put a % cap of flying that can be done by them.
15 days off for reserves.
Sick leave similar to Delta or better.
Paid training lodging for new hires plus per diem.
Per diem raised to $5/hr. It's been $2/hr since when ($2.15 in our last contract-woo hoo!)???
Better crew meal language
Better hotel language
$300 to drive to co-terminal bases with parking included
ETOPS/International pay of $10/$8 per hour for the entire pairing
Some of you may laugh at this but the airgroup is more than capable of accommodating our requests. They raped us during Kasher and they've been making $$$ hand over fist since then. Can you say RECORD PROFITS? We've been leaving $150 million + on the table every negotiations for I can't remember how long. Just based on compounding interest alone, they can pay us and then some.
This will not be give and take but only take on our part. No more concessions, ALPA!!!
A huge sacrifice was made during the bad times. Now a huge gain will be expected. If I even hear the word "concession" as part of a future TA, it is very likely an automatic no vote from me. Nothing personal... just the cost of doing business in today's reality.
I am prepared to take a big stand with this one... I hope others feel the same.
#117
AAG was never in bankruptcy, but times were hard in the industry and management approached the Association for concessions. Ultimately it led to "baseball arbitration", where Kasher chose management's proposal. I'm sure others have more info as I was not there.
#118
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The industry mark is a 255# with about 3% a year in cola.
Middle of seniority of AS will be fine, our CEO and COO have both stated publicly that the equipment will be separate at AS and VX for at least the next 5 years. AS pilots will get all of their upgrades on the 737 and VX will keep all of their near term growth on the bus.
Scheduling changes will be made but not enough. PBS?? I would think has less then a 30% chance of being in the next contract.
I won't laugh. Yes, in this environment your #'s could be paid. I think the 22% profit margins would be pulled to almost 10% and seeing every other workgroup would seek similar increases the margins could fall bellow 3%. We all want big raises but I think you have to be realistic.
Retirement I don't think will be touched because it is a lot more complex then most other sections.
Scope? Well I honestly don't know anymore about this one. This is the big hold up in the TPA right now. This one may surprise me and we might finally end up with real scope... the union is holding its ground right now
Middle of seniority of AS will be fine, our CEO and COO have both stated publicly that the equipment will be separate at AS and VX for at least the next 5 years. AS pilots will get all of their upgrades on the 737 and VX will keep all of their near term growth on the bus.
Scheduling changes will be made but not enough. PBS?? I would think has less then a 30% chance of being in the next contract.
I won't laugh. Yes, in this environment your #'s could be paid. I think the 22% profit margins would be pulled to almost 10% and seeing every other workgroup would seek similar increases the margins could fall bellow 3%. We all want big raises but I think you have to be realistic.
Retirement I don't think will be touched because it is a lot more complex then most other sections.
Scope? Well I honestly don't know anymore about this one. This is the big hold up in the TPA right now. This one may surprise me and we might finally end up with real scope... the union is holding its ground right now
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#120
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From: 737 tiller master
So to pay out $150-$200 million more for your average 3-5 year contract...I'd say it's quite doable!
For everyone out there, please take the time to educate yourself. You have heard of the internet, right!?
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