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Old 10-12-2016 | 05:08 PM
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I like PBS, much better than line bidding. So much easier to customize your schedule.
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Old 10-12-2016 | 05:16 PM
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One additional day off for reserves? For Alaska that would make it 13. VX already gets 13 off. We need at least 14 days off for reserves to be in line with industry average for the legacy carriers.
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Old 10-12-2016 | 07:01 PM
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Originally Posted by FlyAK
As to the original question for this thread...

Here is what I expect...

No PBS!
$280/$190 per hour...
Define "inadequate reserve coverage"
No penalty for vacation... i.e. Vacation months pay at least the value of the line bid...
An across the board 2% increase to the 401(k)
A real scope clause with seat/weight/airframe limits... both high and low...
An additional day off for reserves...
And a sick leave increase...

And "no" I will not give up anything to get those things...
PBS-H**l NO! I know many Virgin guys want this but you will not like PBS controlled by the airgroup.
$280/$190 to start w/6% annual increase minimum-completely doable with greater of block hours flown or 6 hours of pay per calendar day, 6 hours for vacation day, and 6 hours for training day. Raise min guarantee for both block & reserve pilots. For the w****es and the lazy, get rid of the min and max.
17% into 401k and snap up to 19% by the end of the contract. Bring back the pension plan with the ability to choose between straight 401k or pension plan.
Scope-76 seats or less and put a % cap of flying that can be done by them.
15 days off for reserves.
Sick leave similar to Delta or better.
Paid training lodging for new hires plus per diem.
Per diem raised to $5/hr. It's been $2/hr since when ($2.15 in our last contract-woo hoo!)???
Better crew meal language
Better hotel language
$300 to drive to co-terminal bases with parking included
ETOPS/International pay of $10/$8 per hour for the entire pairing

Some of you may laugh at this but the airgroup is more than capable of accommodating our requests. They raped us during Kasher and they've been making $$$ hand over fist since then. Can you say RECORD PROFITS? We've been leaving $150 million + on the table every negotiations for I can't remember how long. Just based on compounding interest alone, they can pay us and then some.
This will not be give and take but only take on our part. No more concessions, ALPA!!!
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Old 10-12-2016 | 08:17 PM
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Originally Posted by Arctichicken
PBS-H**l NO! I know many Virgin guys want this but you will not like PBS controlled by the airgroup.
$280/$190 to start w/6% annual increase minimum-completely doable with greater of block hours flown or 6 hours of pay per calendar day, 6 hours for vacation day, and 6 hours for training day. Raise min guarantee for both block & reserve pilots. For the w****es and the lazy, get rid of the min and max.
17% into 401k and snap up to 19% by the end of the contract. Bring back the pension plan with the ability to choose between straight 401k or pension plan.
Scope-76 seats or less and put a % cap of flying that can be done by them.
15 days off for reserves.
Sick leave similar to Delta or better.
Paid training lodging for new hires plus per diem.
Per diem raised to $5/hr. It's been $2/hr since when ($2.15 in our last contract-woo hoo!)???
Better crew meal language
Better hotel language
$300 to drive to co-terminal bases with parking included
ETOPS/International pay of $10/$8 per hour for the entire pairing

Some of you may laugh at this but the airgroup is more than capable of accommodating our requests. They raped us during Kasher and they've been making $$$ hand over fist since then. Can you say RECORD PROFITS? We've been leaving $150 million + on the table every negotiations for I can't remember how long. Just based on compounding interest alone, they can pay us and then some.
This will not be give and take but only take on our part. No more concessions, ALPA!!!
If anyone is laughing or scoffing at these demands on the thought they are "unrealistic", then it is simply a display of ignorance at the current reality of Air Group profit margins of late and the state of industry on the whole.

A huge sacrifice was made during the bad times. Now a huge gain will be expected. If I even hear the word "concession" as part of a future TA, it is very likely an automatic no vote from me. Nothing personal... just the cost of doing business in today's reality.

I am prepared to take a big stand with this one... I hope others feel the same.
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Old 10-13-2016 | 12:00 AM
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Did anyone actually do the math to see what the economic impact of what your suggestions are? I see a lot of "the Air Group can afford it" without any justification.
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Old 10-13-2016 | 05:30 AM
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Can anyone give some background on what the Kasher award was? What led to it? Was AK Group in bankruptcy at the time?
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Old 10-13-2016 | 08:19 AM
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Originally Posted by ShyGuy
Can anyone give some background on what the Kasher award was? What led to it? Was AK Group in bankruptcy at the time?
AAG was never in bankruptcy, but times were hard in the industry and management approached the Association for concessions. Ultimately it led to "baseball arbitration", where Kasher chose management's proposal. I'm sure others have more info as I was not there.
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Old 10-13-2016 | 09:17 AM
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The industry mark is a 255# with about 3% a year in cola.
Middle of seniority of AS will be fine, our CEO and COO have both stated publicly that the equipment will be separate at AS and VX for at least the next 5 years. AS pilots will get all of their upgrades on the 737 and VX will keep all of their near term growth on the bus.
Scheduling changes will be made but not enough. PBS?? I would think has less then a 30% chance of being in the next contract.
I won't laugh. Yes, in this environment your #'s could be paid. I think the 22% profit margins would be pulled to almost 10% and seeing every other workgroup would seek similar increases the margins could fall bellow 3%. We all want big raises but I think you have to be realistic.
Retirement I don't think will be touched because it is a lot more complex then most other sections.
Scope? Well I honestly don't know anymore about this one. This is the big hold up in the TPA right now. This one may surprise me and we might finally end up with real scope... the union is holding its ground right now

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Old 10-13-2016 | 09:23 AM
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Originally Posted by ERJFO
Did anyone actually do the math to see what the economic impact of what your suggestions are? I see a lot of "the Air Group can afford it" without any justification.
Air Group Second Quarter Report Highlights:

*Reported record second quarter net income, excluding special items, of $263 million, a 14% increase over the second quarter of 2015. Adjusted diluted earnings per share of $2.12 was a 20% increase over the second quarter of 2015.

*Generated approximately $900 million of operating cash flow and $560 million of free cash flow in the first six months of 2016.

*Expanded adjusted pre-tax margins from 25.7% in the second quarter of 2015, to 28.4% in the second quarter of 2016

*Held $1.6 billion in unrestricted cash and marketable securities as of June 30, 2016

*I want to thank our terrific people, who were once again recognized by J.D. Power for having the highest customer satisfaction among traditional network airlines for the 9th consecutive year.
-Tilden
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Old 10-13-2016 | 09:30 AM
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Originally Posted by ERJFO
Did anyone actually do the math to see what the economic impact of what your suggestions are? I see a lot of "the Air Group can afford it" without any justification.
The air group is the most profitable passenger airline in the U.S. They have been making record profits on our backs for the last 8+ years. They make 20%+ profit compared to single digits by the big boys and low 10s by some of the more successful major airlines. The legacies make their profit on volume but ounce for ounce, the air group is a powerhouse. According to Mr. Tilden, company’s earnings per share are expected to outperform all but 36 companies in the S&P 500. The air group's net profit in 2015 was $842 million. Just to give you an idea, the air group's 2016 first quarter net profit was $184 million-another record! As we all know, the first quarter is the slowest season.
So to pay out $150-$200 million more for your average 3-5 year contract...I'd say it's quite doable!
For everyone out there, please take the time to educate yourself. You have heard of the internet, right!?
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