ASpilot0936

Minicucci thinks he's slick....

Mgm't is pi$$ing into the wind/backing themselves into a corner. Literally. They want to whipsaw us against Virgin? Fine. They can't do that without pi$$ing off EVERY workgroup at AS. I'm not just talking about pilots, but EVERYONE, CSA's, backoffice employees, everyone.

How?? Because what's the first thing they told us from day one/announcement? We're going to be one big happy family with Virgin. Koom by ya. If it turns out that their master plan all along was to whipsaw these two airlines against each other just to save $$$ on labor costs and that they lied to all of us to do it, then mgm't is going to have a LOT of VERY unhappy disgruntled employees who feel very betrayed and lied to. That doesn't bode very well for the productivity that they cherish so much.

So Brad & Ben now have a choice in this negotiating landscape where the pilots finally have the upper hand. Pony up more money and better work rules like every other CBA that has come out so far and actually merge the airlines like they promised they would and keep everybody happy, or keep delaying TPA negotiations and eventually whipsaw everyone against each other and have everybody at both airlines disgruntled, unhappy & never willing to trust managements words again. It’s their choice.

It comes down to this, what mgm't is racking their heads over right now guaranteed. "How can we whipsaw the two pilots groups against each other so we can save on labor costs but still merge the operations to keep everyone else happy?" You can't merge the operations. Not without a JCBA unless I'm missing something..

But how much you wanna bet they’re running the costs on both those scenarios?

Arctichicken

I'm not 100% sure but I believe that the merger is not contingent on having a JCBA. All of the legal aspects of the merger can take place without it (ie. single certificate, DOJ approval, etc.). American did and others have also. The airgroup is more than capable of operating the two airlines separately and whipsawing the 3 pilot groups (Horizon too). Can you say scope, or lack thereof?
The company played us from the beginning. When the merger was announced in April, they knew they couldn't pi$$ us off so they acted like they wanted a JCBA before the end of the year. Now that the summer is over, they are stalling us. It's always the same old shots from their lame 'ole tactics playbook. They'll put their puppets into motion and start busting our chops as they always do. Look for more hat & uniform Nazis and sickleave-police. They'll pull every intimidation tactic known to mankind from their sphincter until it bleeds. Beatings will continue until morale improves. Arrogance and greed spew from their pores, which is blinding.
The sad truth is that their tactics won't work thanks to the new breed of pilots in force. Thank goodness that many of the pushover oldies are gone or are leaving. More importantly, the current economic conditions are not in management's favor. They are indeed treading on dangerous waters and pi$$ing into the wind. No work actions are required by this pilot group as management is only setting themselves up for failure resulting in an implosion. They're creating their own demise and it will be a sad day for all of us who are effected by their poor judgment. That too is okay with them since they all have golden parachutes.

dashtrash300

I'm thinking some informational picketing outside of the terminal might help this out. Inform our customers that other airlines are valuing their pilots more than ours seems too

Reggie Dunlop

In the six months since the merger was announced I have yet to meet one of you trembling, hyperbolic paranoid tinfoil hat wearing conspiracy farmers out on the line.

You make me a little nervous, but I am hoping that you are just the usual half dozen fear mongering malcontents that seem to inhabit every pilot ***** board since the internet was invented.

All the guys I meet seem pretty happy and looking forward to the future. You would think it is the end days to read all the bull**** in this thread. I guess checking in from time to time on APC is as useless as FI became years ago. Even the comedy nuggets are too few and far between all the chicken little prognostications.

Might be time to punch out of APC.

FlyAK

I'm not chicken little and I'm also not looking forward to this merger.... or the future of the Air Group for that matter. I do not see a path forward that does not involve a lot of suffering for our mid-seniority people. People who have been furloughed to pay for this merger are going to pay for it again with seniority loss...

Perhaps you have not flown with me "out on the line" but if you had I would not hesitate to tell you how I feel...

I will gladly do my part to shut this place down if negotiations do not go well. At last count the air group owes me at least a quarter million... and I'm happy to take it however I can...

FlyAK

As to the original question for this thread...

Here is what I expect...

No PBS!
$280/$190 per hour...
Define "inadequate reserve coverage"
No penalty for vacation... i.e. Vacation months pay at least the value of the line bid...
An across the board 2% increase to the 401(k)
A real scope clause with seat/weight/airframe limits... both high and low...
An additional day off for reserves...
And a sick leave increase...

And "no" I will not give up anything to get those things...

Arctichicken

I'm guessing you don't work for the airgroup. If you did, you'd know how this management operate.
This merger does not benefit our pilot group; we have nothing to gain and everything to lose. If you have nothing constructive to add but only condescending remarks, please do all of us a favor and punch out of APC as you have suggested.

full of luv

The day that Mgmt started calling itself an airgroup should have made the pilots nervous. It's almost like they telegraph their future whipsaw intentions at that point. Best of luck to all in the group.

LineGrinder400

This ^^

We simply cannot lose focus on creating a unified effort (us and our new VA brothers) in shooting for specific targets that shows respect of our value towards the Air Group's massive intake of profits of late.

As stated before, when times were "bad", the ALK pilot group sacrificed big time (Kasher). Now that times are very good, we should expect the appropriate corresponding gain... nothing less.

airb320

...Why not industry standard 16% 401k
Why not 2.5hrs of pay if extended (FDP) for 30 minutes or less and 5hrs from 31minutes +...like United and soon Southwest

Why are you lowballing the best negotiations landscape in the history ?

Virgin Pilots will help you figure it out...😅