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Old 10-13-2016 | 10:27 AM
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And we cannot forget this part of the story as well as it relates to bargaining power (note that we are already four years into this chart)...

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Old 11-11-2016 | 12:30 PM
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Alaska management still unwilling to complete the TPA. ***. I wonder what the real holdup is.
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Old 11-11-2016 | 05:55 PM
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Alaska management still unwilling to complete the TPA. ***. I wonder what the real holdup is.
Agreed. Just read the update. Seems scope might be the hold up. Still a little confused..maybe someone else can read between the lines better then me
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Old 11-13-2016 | 08:28 AM
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Originally Posted by plt32173
Agreed. Just read the update. Seems scope might be the hold up. Still a little confused..maybe someone else can read between the lines better then me
Yes it is scope, the company wants to only surgically negotiate sections of scope and recognition, the union wants to negotiate the whole section not just surgically carved out areas.
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Old 11-14-2016 | 12:39 PM
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AS management is used to negotiating with pilots who roll over on scope. Guess they're up to their old MO
Their are new pilots in the mix. Their old MO won't work anymore.
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Old 11-14-2016 | 07:45 PM
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If management can leave their ego at the door and truly care for their investors and themselves, they would benefit enormously by negotiating a industry standard contract ASAP. There's already bad blood with this pilot group and no need to add 700 more. Dragging negotiations will only make things worse for both sides. Greed and arrogance is truly blinding.
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Old 11-15-2016 | 06:12 AM
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They use simple tools to gauge the temper of negotiations.....hiring and retention....1) are they able to easily hire enough pilots to meet their needs/are they keeping a reserve(most of the pilots that they dont hire )....2) Retention- are they retaining most of the pilots they do hire....and 3) are most of the pilots they hire coming with multiple internal reccomendations....
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Old 11-15-2016 | 07:28 AM
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Originally Posted by Klsytakesit
They use simple tools to gauge the temper of negotiations.....hiring and retention....1) are they able to easily hire enough pilots to meet their needs/are they keeping a reserve(most of the pilots that they dont hire )....2) Retention- are they retaining most of the pilots they do hire....and 3) are most of the pilots they hire coming with multiple internal reccomendations....
That is very true. I think we are the lowest paid pilots in the industry right now or soon will be. You can pretty much count on the fact that during a contract cycle in the future, Alaska pilots will be the lowest paid at some point as others leapfrog and we struggle to keep up. It does seem management uses the three guides you mention to assess how they are doing. Unfortunately for them, if there truly is an industry-wide shortage of talent out there, all three of those chickens will come home to roost simultaneously, making it impossible for them to staff the airline. See Horizon for an example. Once they get to that point, there is no easy solution.
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Old 11-16-2016 | 03:52 AM
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Originally Posted by Arctichicken
If management can leave their ego at the door and truly care for their investors and themselves, they would benefit enormously by negotiating a industry standard contract ASAP. There's already bad blood with this pilot group and no need to add 700 more. Dragging negotiations will only make things worse for both sides. Greed and arrogance is truly blinding.
They're going to drag this out into 2018/2019.
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Old 11-16-2016 | 09:05 AM
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Originally Posted by EskimoJoe
They're going to drag this out into 2018/2019.
Apparently, TPA language sets a timeline where the process, whether it be through negotiations alone or with mediation/arbitration, is designed to be completed before the amendable date. I hear the TPA will be made available to view once it is complete.
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