Please, enlighten us how an 18 hour long call will work at a base like AVL, VPS, etc.? Our model negates the need for some of these contractual provisions, this being one of them. Now you want to tell the company that they’re forbidden from multi-day pairings? Not going to happen—ever.

Until the fringe pilots such as yourself recognize that you’re not going to have a legacy contract that guarantees day trips only, we will always have 15-20% of this group that’ll say no. We get it, you want to be paid like your friends at Delta. Maybe you should’ve just left when the hiring was trending towards 500 Turbine guys and gals.

The fact of the matter is this, whenever this JV team negotiating committee gets to a TA, it will have been the same “end product” as it would have been a year ago. JR, JA, JC, JK have absolutely nothing that qualifies them to negotiate a contract against the very best anti-union firm in the country. This is just like having your niece’s flag football team play against the eagles— it just ain’t going to work out.

 

I think he was being sarcastic. We all know it's not realistic to expect company to fully commit to only day trips. Most of us would welcome some 2 days since it's a way to grow a base that is out of gate parking. What almost everyone can agree is paying 4 hours a day and no 1:3.5 rig is silly. Nobody wants to work a 4 day with a 5 am show and 11pm release on day 4 that pays 16 hours. As far as long call, we already AIP'd that section with what I think the majority will be good with. Long call will absolutely work in all bases as the point of it is to simply to cover whatever is in the local base opentime, it will basically replace the compsite lines we have now but with greater efficiency and contactability for the company.

 

All very interesting but you're missing the forest for the trees.....GU acting on his own self-interests has orchestrated a takeover of our local and his "emergency trusteeship" has robbed us of any democratic process by which to respond. He holds all the cards. GU, and his compliant minions at Allegiant, do not want a contract. They don't care what's in the best interest of this pilot group. They will ensure there's no contract until it serves their interest to have one. We're s_______d.

 

well that’s one way to look at it

 

You're suggesting that the entire negotiating team is completely under GU's thumb?

 

absolument

100%

 

If you think they aren’t, you’re out of your mind. It won’t be their signature on the CBA, it’s going to be GU.

GU has full control of the lives of 1,400 pilots. Each day that goes on, each of us lose out on generational wealth. GU isn’t just robbing you, he’s robbing your children. It wouldn’t matter if we had 14,000 pilots, he’d f*ck over anyone just to help himself.

He keeps dangling the carrot of “progress” towards a CBA and elections and all 1,400 of us are dumb enough to fall for it every time. Don’t believe me? Ask the guys at Atlas what they think of GU, don’t believe them? Ask any Allegiant pilot what they think of CBA 1.0. You can’t fix sh*t with more sh*t, let alone the same sh*t you’re trying to fix.

GU does nothing but gaslight. Remember those imminent DOL charges against the previous eboard? If what they did was legit, they would be federally indicted by now. But no, it won’t ever happen. That would be GU’s worst nightmare. He wouldn’t ever survive the deposition that would ensue. This whole thing has been an effort on GU’s part to get back at Allegiant pilots for leaving 1224.

 

I have to disagree with two things. One calling the Alaska agreement an OLD POS contract is a bit much, especially when we're working on a genuine OLD POS. And Alaska like contract would be a massive leap forward. It's far from a "roll over and accept anything".

Second thing I disagree is that folks are getting worn down by the company. That's not true. Mainly bc many pilot have been tired by the ineffective and botches negotiations that happened while AR negotiated. Not to mention how HE himself TORPEDOED negotiations in August 2023.

Taking the FIRST mailer was considered an insult and yada yada, but if we would've taken something as such and made it a 3 year deal we would be 6 months from beginning CBA 3.0, and we wouldn't be starting from such a set back. It's absolutely ubsurd to think that having this just drag on and drag on, we're going to be able to make up all the financial loss or will reach a PHENOMENAL DEAL through strike.

I think we are close, will reach something that's both fair and a win/win for both parties. We'll see if next week is an indication of real progress. A TA on section 15 next week would be the right direction. I think it's very achievable.

 

One of the biggest things I recommend to everyone that I talk to that has certain "feelings" or "beliefs" such as yours to make it be know to Greg during membership meetings. It's not just you or a small few that believe that GU doesn't have this pilot group's best interest at heart, and if that's the case, it should be brought up tomorrow for example (membership meeting) and have him answer, and not be allowed to deflect. Things such as these is why we must PUSH for nominations and elections as soon as Bylaws and procedures manual are approved.

 

A phenomenal deal will not come through a strike, in fact the probability of a strike is almost nil.

The fact of the matter is this— we are hemorrhaging money each day this goes on. There is no CBA that will make up what we have lost out on.

I will say, I agree. Hindsight is always 20/20 but the 2022 mailer on a 3 year deal would have been significantly better than what we have endured since then. That said, we’d be starting a nearly 3+ year long process still far behind, just not as far.

I appreciate optimism, but any I’ve had has been killed by the sheer ineptitude shown by GU and his newest negotiators. $10,000,000 in the bank, in a fight against the premiere labor law firm in the country, and the best we can do is a mediocre attorney with a wealth of experience negotiating at Atlas and Northern Air Cargo? Complimented only by the likes of a failed rent-to-own furniture franchisee, a couple pay to play MBA guys, and an average state school guy leading the circus? Pardon my pessimism, but would you bet money on the “underdog” here? Likely not— yet here we are all betting with the future of our careers.

Mark my words, I’m not prophetic but here we go. Tomorrow on GU’s “update” he’s going to drone on about another slowdown on why we have no new bylaws, then he’s going to brag about just how good they are. He’ll apologize for being sick and then say he’s a busy guy. Shortly thereafter, he’s going to let JA or JR give the “eh, we’re hopeful” spiel. Then he’ll open it up to questions where he’ll start every answer with “look, I appreciate it (that) and…”

He’s terrible for Allegiant, terrible for Teamsters, and terrible for the industry. It’s time we seek help from O’Brien.