New Hire question
11-24-2022, 05:30 PM
#51
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Anyone who thinks a contract will happen in 2024 is delusional. We're at that point in the graveyard spiral scene where the airspeed is going up and pulling back further isn't helping. We're passing the Vno speed now. Can the ship be righted with minimal damage now? Sure. By 2024 we'll be beyond Vne and pulling the wings off this bird in a terminal dive.
We can still staff summer 2023 if we keep everyone AND we fill classes the next 3 months. If not, we're in a world of pain that no amount of bandaids will repair. Think of how much cutting we did this summer and pretend that's the best case for summer 2023?
The fact that it's in our investor calls is warning enough.
We can still staff summer 2023 if we keep everyone AND we fill classes the next 3 months. If not, we're in a world of pain that no amount of bandaids will repair. Think of how much cutting we did this summer and pretend that's the best case for summer 2023?
The fact that it's in our investor calls is warning enough.
11-25-2022, 06:37 AM
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New Hire question
Originally Posted by JediCheese
Anyone who thinks a contract will happen in 2024 is delusional. We're at that point in the graveyard spiral scene where the airspeed is going up and pulling back further isn't helping. We're passing the Vno speed now. Can the ship be righted with minimal damage now? Sure. By 2024 we'll be beyond Vne and pulling the wings off this bird in a terminal dive.
We can still staff summer 2023 if we keep everyone AND we fill classes the next 3 months. If not, we're in a world of pain that no amount of bandaids will repair. Think of how much cutting we did this summer and pretend that's the best case for summer 2023?
The fact that it's in our investor calls is warning enough.
We can still staff summer 2023 if we keep everyone AND we fill classes the next 3 months. If not, we're in a world of pain that no amount of bandaids will repair. Think of how much cutting we did this summer and pretend that's the best case for summer 2023?
The fact that it's in our investor calls is warning enough.
I like that analogy. My favorite one a leaky damn. It’s already got a few leaks going over( pilots) and once a few more start leaving then it’s gonna bust.
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11-25-2022, 04:29 PM
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It's almost as if the management has given into some sort of Tiktok/Fox News/Zero Hedge narrative that a huge recession is coming and there is no need to worry about staffing up.
Allegiant management thought they could read the tea leaves during covid and they failed spectacularly. They furloughed into the biggest hiring wave in 2 decades, wasting tens of millions in training costs, alienated the remaining employees, and lost an opportunity to lock in pay rates at 2020 levels when the union would have probably been willing to take a Sun Country style contract. Now they're taking a second shot to whistle through the graveyard, by slow-rolling the contract negotiations while much better airlines are hiring as aggressively as possible.
Allegiant management thought they could read the tea leaves during covid and they failed spectacularly. They furloughed into the biggest hiring wave in 2 decades, wasting tens of millions in training costs, alienated the remaining employees, and lost an opportunity to lock in pay rates at 2020 levels when the union would have probably been willing to take a Sun Country style contract. Now they're taking a second shot to whistle through the graveyard, by slow-rolling the contract negotiations while much better airlines are hiring as aggressively as possible.
11-25-2022, 06:01 PM
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Originally Posted by 9easy
Allegiant management thought they could read the tea leaves during covid and they failed spectacularly. They furloughed into the biggest hiring wave in 2 decades, wasting tens of millions in training costs, alienated the remaining employees, and lost an opportunity to lock in pay rates at 2020 levels when the union would have probably been willing to take a Sun Country style contract. Now they're taking a second shot to whistle through the graveyard, by slow-rolling the contract negotiations while much better airlines are hiring as aggressively as possible.
11-26-2022, 07:36 AM
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Originally Posted by yohu1326
Hello everybody, new hire with a Dec 5th class date.
About an hour away from ABE. I know this may have been discussed earlier but I wanted to see what’s ABE looking like now.
Will I be able to get it out of training?
How long would I be on reserve if I get ABE?
How is the flying like on reserve and later on as a line holder?
Appreciate all your inputs & thanks in advance!
About an hour away from ABE. I know this may have been discussed earlier but I wanted to see what’s ABE looking like now.
Will I be able to get it out of training?
How long would I be on reserve if I get ABE?
How is the flying like on reserve and later on as a line holder?
Appreciate all your inputs & thanks in advance!
23 Lehigh Valley resident & 35 United (ex CAL) pilot. No disrespect to Allegiant pilots but no comparison between both companies and long-term careers.
11-26-2022, 09:09 AM
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Originally Posted by Boeing Aviator
If you only live one hour from ABE. After training apply to United. EWR is very junior. United hires a lot from Allegiant. Hiring 8000 over next 5 years. EWR has unfilled CA vacancies. Hiring into every airplane including 777/787. United dropped 4 year degree, TPIC and new mins 2350 total time.
23 Lehigh Valley resident & 35 United (ex CAL) pilot. No disrespect to Allegiant pilots but no comparison between both companies and long-term careers.
23 Lehigh Valley resident & 35 United (ex CAL) pilot. No disrespect to Allegiant pilots but no comparison between both companies and long-term careers.
11-26-2022, 09:24 AM
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Originally Posted by tom11011
No offense dude, but you guys live 60% of your life in 10x30 hotel rooms.
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I know a Delta A330 pilot near me who bids reserve & often has to hit the sim to stay current.
At a legacy you can find a niche to suit your taste if you want to be home.
If this stalemate continues much longer gonna be a lot of Allegiant folks who fit your description.
11-26-2022, 10:05 AM
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Originally Posted by tailendcharlie
If you’re commuting,to a narrowbody fleet type, maybe.
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I know a Delta A330 pilot near me who bids reserve & often has to hit the sim to stay current.
At a legacy you can find a niche to suit your taste if you want to be home.
If this stalemate continues much longer gonna be a lot of Allegiant folks who fit your description.
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I know a Delta A330 pilot near me who bids reserve & often has to hit the sim to stay current.
At a legacy you can find a niche to suit your taste if you want to be home.
If this stalemate continues much longer gonna be a lot of Allegiant folks who fit your description.
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