New Hire question
12-03-2022 | 04:07 PM
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It'll only take a month or two of large attrition to bring things to meltdown mode. The downside with the microbase strategy is, if 3-4++ guys bail in a given month from a microbase, the base falls apart and basically shuts down. We saw this to a lesser extent earlier this year when half the LA FO's bailed in about a month.
12-03-2022 | 04:26 PM
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This is a cushy airline gig. You don't quite make legacy pay, but you also don't work as hard as a legacy pilot.
I compare it to being a lifer at a regional. You make enough pay to make it worthwhile and have a secure job that runs on autopilot. Why mess with a good thing when you'd have to apply and interview at a legacy, then go through training, and start at the bottom (and likely commute for a while). It's going to absolutely destroy a year of your life vs settling for a decent life at Allegiant.
I compare it to being a lifer at a regional. You make enough pay to make it worthwhile and have a secure job that runs on autopilot. Why mess with a good thing when you'd have to apply and interview at a legacy, then go through training, and start at the bottom (and likely commute for a while). It's going to absolutely destroy a year of your life vs settling for a decent life at Allegiant.
12-03-2022 | 05:52 PM
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This is a cushy airline gig. You don't quite make legacy pay, but you also don't work as hard as a legacy pilot.
I compare it to being a lifer at a regional. You make enough pay to make it worthwhile and have a secure job that runs on autopilot. Why mess with a good thing when you'd have to apply and interview at a legacy, then go through training, and start at the bottom (and likely commute for a while). It's going to absolutely destroy a year of your life vs settling for a decent life at Allegiant.
I compare it to being a lifer at a regional. You make enough pay to make it worthwhile and have a secure job that runs on autopilot. Why mess with a good thing when you'd have to apply and interview at a legacy, then go through training, and start at the bottom (and likely commute for a while). It's going to absolutely destroy a year of your life vs settling for a decent life at Allegiant.
12-03-2022 | 07:20 PM
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This is a cushy airline gig. You don't quite make legacy pay, but you also don't work as hard as a legacy pilot.
I compare it to being a lifer at a regional. You make enough pay to make it worthwhile and have a secure job that runs on autopilot. Why mess with a good thing when you'd have to apply and interview at a legacy, then go through training, and start at the bottom (and likely commute for a while). It's going to absolutely destroy a year of your life vs settling for a decent life at Allegiant.
I compare it to being a lifer at a regional. You make enough pay to make it worthwhile and have a secure job that runs on autopilot. Why mess with a good thing when you'd have to apply and interview at a legacy, then go through training, and start at the bottom (and likely commute for a while). It's going to absolutely destroy a year of your life vs settling for a decent life at Allegiant.
Enjoy training brand new ATP’s who never flew a jet and are fresh off OE.
Sit pretty and let the company race to the bottom.
12-04-2022 | 03:33 AM
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This is a cushy airline gig. You don't quite make legacy pay, but you also don't work as hard as a legacy pilot.
I compare it to being a lifer at a regional. You make enough pay to make it worthwhile and have a secure job that runs on autopilot. Why mess with a good thing when you'd have to apply and interview at a legacy, then go through training, and start at the bottom (and likely commute for a while). It's going to absolutely destroy a year of your life vs settling for a decent life at Allegiant.
I compare it to being a lifer at a regional. You make enough pay to make it worthwhile and have a secure job that runs on autopilot. Why mess with a good thing when you'd have to apply and interview at a legacy, then go through training, and start at the bottom (and likely commute for a while). It's going to absolutely destroy a year of your life vs settling for a decent life at Allegiant.
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12-04-2022 | 07:56 AM
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Probably the better way to phrase it is legacy pilots, at least narrowbody domestic types, spend more time sitting around. I would argue since they work for mature companies with robust infrastructure, decades of experience running a real airline, & work under a proper CBA, they work less hard than the Allegiant pilot who just to name one example don’t even have PDC…..
12-05-2022 | 03:46 AM
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I think the next few months will be telling - do enough Allegiant pilots finally wake up & look past their next months’ home-every-night schedule to realize the long-term implications of missing this hiring wave? If you see attrition start to snowball to where it’s 25,30,40 per month then this place won’t be able to downsize or recalibrate fast enough to avoid meltdown.
If it continues at the current 15 or 20 per month then I think with some targeted base closings & downsizing they can still make it work enough to remain viable.
If it continues at the current 15 or 20 per month then I think with some targeted base closings & downsizing they can still make it work enough to remain viable.
12-05-2022 | 04:52 AM
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Don't discount the home every night aspect. I get that it's not a big deal to some, but it's huge for some guys. I'm happy to leave money on the table if I can truly be home every night. Sadly, it looks like allegiant has other problems in the mix, being sent TDY is kind of a deal like to the home every night selling point. If it weren't for the threat of TDY I probably wouldn't even be looking elsewhere. But I don't want to sign up to be home every night in another town. Pay does need to come up some, but it doesn't have to match Delta.
12-05-2022 | 05:48 AM
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Don't discount the home every night aspect. I get that it's not a big deal to some, but it's huge for some guys. I'm happy to leave money on the table if I can truly be home every night. Sadly, it looks like allegiant has other problems in the mix, being sent TDY is kind of a deal like to the home every night selling point. If it weren't for the threat of TDY I probably wouldn't even be looking elsewhere. But I don't want to sign up to be home every night in another town. Pay does need to come up some, but it doesn't have to match Delta.
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