New Hire question
12-03-2022 | 05:48 AM
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3, 4 and 6 pilots waiting for those bases, respectively, so *not* being offered to new hires, and the wait could be 2 months after training or 2 years since each one is so small. It's incredibly hard to say especially as hiring has slowed to a trickle and with each base being so small. Past performance does not indicate future results.We have pilots hired in Dec 21 who can't hold IWA and that base was going to new hires in Summer 21. Be sure to factor the cost of a shared apartment or such into your pay cut as many of our bases don't have crash pads and/or the schedule is too not conducive to one. And yea with management passing regressive language to the union the whole NMB process will likely need to play out which can take years.
12-03-2022 | 05:50 AM
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I second the above if you come here plan on working for a while under the current agreement - as an example the 3 most senior FO’s at a certain base were recently all awarded reserve - Allegiant cheerleaders go ahead and rationalize that one. At least a couple more years of the current CBA also plan financial reserves for eventual possible self-help.If you can afford the first year & want to live in one of the small bases & have the patience to maybe wait up to a year to get it then it could be a fit for those independently wealthy or otherwise not concerned with maximizing earnings/retirement.
12-03-2022 | 05:53 AM
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Probably more then 30k because you will be on reserve and not able to pick anything up. Make sure you calculate $56 an hour at 70 hours. No bonus, No profit sharing, and senior guys all get the 200% pay. VFN. Your better off upgrading and getting that regional CA pay which is better then any FO pay you will ever get at allegiant.
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12-03-2022 | 05:59 AM
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12-03-2022 | 06:20 AM
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It really depends. I wouldn't mind being the bottom pilot at a small base. You are the only reserve for 3 flights a day (AM or PM bank that you are legal for). So if none of the 3 pilots in your seat call in sick, you aren't getting used. Even better is once the flights leave, there's no extra airplanes around and you are free. So your reserve is really covering 3 pilots and is only for ~4 hours.
IWA/LAS/FL are different beasts. It's more airline like and being a reserve means you're the reserve covering 15+ flights (plus MX and ferry flights). It's highly likely someone is going to call in sick so you're getting used and due to the schedule there is a constant dribble of flights outside the big pushes.
IWA/LAS/FL are different beasts. It's more airline like and being a reserve means you're the reserve covering 15+ flights (plus MX and ferry flights). It's highly likely someone is going to call in sick so you're getting used and due to the schedule there is a constant dribble of flights outside the big pushes.
12-03-2022 | 06:26 AM
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GRR had 2 spots offered to a recent class, FNT had zero. While they may have been junior when they were new, that can quickly change when the bases are so small.
12-03-2022 | 07:47 AM
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12-03-2022 | 08:27 AM
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While anything can happen, all perspective new hires should plan for 6 months in FNT, DSM, KATW, or KABE.
Anything can happen though as we are rapidly losing pilots. If you actually live in one of the above cities this may be a great opportunity for you. Having said that it is unclear whether we can sustain our small base strategy or not.
Our lack of contract is really hurting us. And our managements tactic of now moving in a regressive direction has made everyone’s worst dreams come true in that it could be another year or 2 to get something done.
At this point, I personally am no longer worried about the contract but instead worry that we may not even survive as an airline. I think the focus should turn to merger with Sun Country or Frontier.
Anything can happen though as we are rapidly losing pilots. If you actually live in one of the above cities this may be a great opportunity for you. Having said that it is unclear whether we can sustain our small base strategy or not.
Our lack of contract is really hurting us. And our managements tactic of now moving in a regressive direction has made everyone’s worst dreams come true in that it could be another year or 2 to get something done.
At this point, I personally am no longer worried about the contract but instead worry that we may not even survive as an airline. I think the focus should turn to merger with Sun Country or Frontier.
12-03-2022 | 08:45 AM
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I think the next few months will be telling - do enough Allegiant pilots finally wake up & look past their next months’ home-every-night schedule to realize the long-term implications of missing this hiring wave? If you see attrition start to snowball to where it’s 25,30,40 per month then this place won’t be able to downsize or recalibrate fast enough to avoid meltdown.
If it continues at the current 15 or 20 per month then I think with some targeted base closings & downsizing they can still make it work enough to remain viable.
If it continues at the current 15 or 20 per month then I think with some targeted base closings & downsizing they can still make it work enough to remain viable.
12-03-2022 | 03:46 PM
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I think the next few months will be telling - do enough Allegiant pilots finally wake up & look past their next months’ home-every-night schedule to realize the long-term implications of missing this hiring wave? If you see attrition start to snowball to where it’s 25,30,40 per month then this place won’t be able to downsize or recalibrate fast enough to avoid meltdown.
If it continues at the current 15 or 20 per month then I think with some targeted base closings & downsizing they can still make it work enough to remain viable.
If it continues at the current 15 or 20 per month then I think with some targeted base closings & downsizing they can still make it work enough to remain viable.
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