Allegiant Air
#1411
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Joined: Sep 2006
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From: Back in school.
MG doesn't care about the 200+/hr he just doesn't want to have to hire more than a skeleton crew of pilots. He's made it very clear he's hell bent against "soft pay" since its hard to predict the costs for future balance sheets. Unfortunately soft pay and more days off are EXACTLY what we need.
The union put chart awhile ago showing that for every 1 aircraft G4 only has 5 pilots, in comparison F9 has 1 aircraft for 9 pilots, the mainline carriers are between 11-14 pilots per aircraft. $200/hr is a drop in the bucket when you only have to hire half the pilots.
Plus what's money if your never home? Your wife or husband will just divorce you take it anyways... we need more days off and work rules badddddd.
The union put chart awhile ago showing that for every 1 aircraft G4 only has 5 pilots, in comparison F9 has 1 aircraft for 9 pilots, the mainline carriers are between 11-14 pilots per aircraft. $200/hr is a drop in the bucket when you only have to hire half the pilots.
Plus what's money if your never home? Your wife or husband will just divorce you take it anyways... we need more days off and work rules badddddd.
As for pilot numbers we don't currently have the same amount of aircraft utilization that other carriers do. We don't do red eyes and I'm confident that our aircraft block hours don't match those of mainline carriers so I can see why we don't have 14 pilots per airframe. I do agree we need more pilots and with additional aircraft hiring should continue.
I'd definitely like to see a better bidding process that allows for folks to have some control over their schedule. I'd rather have the flexibility to bid for 70 hours of flying and not be forced to have 6 random days of reserve in the middle of what could be 3-4 day off sets. I think as the additional pilots come out of the schoolhouse and onto the line this is both reasonable and practical.
I am eager to see what our negotiating committee presents for us to vote on in the (hopefully near) future. Be safe and have fun!
#1412
Banned
Joined: May 2012
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If he doesn't want soft costs then he better up the ante and include it in the base pay. That would be fine with me. Getting soft cost pay here will be a nightmare anyways, its already hard enough to get the little stuff we have now. Whereas an hourly rate based on hours worked is hard for even them to mess up.
I am concerned what we are negotiating for will be quickly eclipsed by what other airlines are already negotiating for. Once again, we will be behind the power curve of other airlines. We need "industry leading" rates. Allegiant is after all one of the nations most profitable airline next to Spirit.
Strike or not, as hard as the negotiating committee is working, I suspect a NO vote on the first round TA will come at hand to up the ante. Or maybe we will be pleasantly surprised.
I am concerned what we are negotiating for will be quickly eclipsed by what other airlines are already negotiating for. Once again, we will be behind the power curve of other airlines. We need "industry leading" rates. Allegiant is after all one of the nations most profitable airline next to Spirit.
Strike or not, as hard as the negotiating committee is working, I suspect a NO vote on the first round TA will come at hand to up the ante. Or maybe we will be pleasantly surprised.
#1413
Gets Weekends Off
Joined: Feb 2010
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If he doesn't want soft costs then he better up the ante and include it in the base pay. That would be fine with me. Getting soft cost pay here will be a nightmare anyways, its already hard enough to get the little stuff we have now. Whereas an hourly rate based on hours worked is hard for even them to mess up.
I am concerned what we are negotiating for will be quickly eclipsed by what other airlines are already negotiating for. Once again, we will be behind the power curve of other airlines. We need "industry leading" rates. Allegiant is after all one of the nations most profitable airline next to Spirit.
Strike or not, as hard as the negotiating committee is working, I suspect a NO vote on the first round TA will come at hand to up the ante. Or maybe we will be pleasantly surprised.
I am concerned what we are negotiating for will be quickly eclipsed by what other airlines are already negotiating for. Once again, we will be behind the power curve of other airlines. We need "industry leading" rates. Allegiant is after all one of the nations most profitable airline next to Spirit.
Strike or not, as hard as the negotiating committee is working, I suspect a NO vote on the first round TA will come at hand to up the ante. Or maybe we will be pleasantly surprised.
#1414
Lifer
Joined: Apr 2009
Posts: 176
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From: MD80 CA
I wouldn't be surprised if a deal was reached, presented as this is the best we could get. And it may very well be. Omni comes to mind. It ain't gonna be an AA contract. Remember Teamsters wants to get paid sooner than later.
#1415
I refuse to be bullied into voting less than we deserve. If anyone has pressure from outside forces it's management... not the pilots.
Remember that AA just recently voted down a "Last and Best offer" in bankruptcy and got a much better contract. The tide has turned and the bill is due.
Oil is down... the economy is up... all major airlines are hiring... we make more money than anyone can believe... our stock is through the roof and 80% of it is owned by people other than MG.
We deserve a great contract. Voting for less than that is simply not an option.
#1416
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Joined: Jul 2012
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A deal will probably be reached, and presented in the 11th hour. If it resembles anything close to Omni, then I will vote no. If this place remains a job, then I will get another one.
#1417
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Joined: Jul 2012
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Just finished my electronic voting ballot to allow a strike. Any guesses how I voted?
God bless America and long live freedom!
God bless America and long live freedom!
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