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Old 01-27-2015 | 12:08 PM
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This isn't meant to be a poke in the eye or a snarky question:

Is it going to look negatively on the union that they were (allegedly) unwilling to meet in DC since the mediator was apparently unable to travel due to funds and (allegedly) the company offered to meet the union there?

Caveat: this was a topic of conversation between a couple of people and I was curious who was telling the truth.
Old 01-27-2015 | 12:50 PM
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Originally Posted by Thunderpig
This isn't meant to be a poke in the eye or a snarky question:

Is it going to look negatively on the union that they were (allegedly) unwilling to meet in DC since the mediator was apparently unable to travel due to funds and (allegedly) the company offered to meet the union there?

Caveat: this was a topic of conversation between a couple of people and I was curious who was telling the truth.


Well, where do I sign up to decertify? How could the union miss out on the company counter proposals on scheduling, PTO, vacation, sick time, retirement, pay, training, safety, upgrades, CBTs, deadhead, rental car driving, etc?

Makes me sick that they wouldn't spend the money to buy last minute walk up plane tickets and hotels for the negotiating committee in Washington, especially when they already spent that money in Orlando.

Bastards!!!
Old 01-27-2015 | 12:54 PM
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Originally Posted by Thunderpig
This isn't meant to be a poke in the eye or a snarky question:

Is it going to look negatively on the union that they were (allegedly) unwilling to meet in DC since the mediator was apparently unable to travel due to funds and (allegedly) the company offered to meet the union there?

Caveat: this was a topic of conversation between a couple of people and I was curious who was telling the truth.
Ultimately that’s what the nmb will decide. But, we can speculate for whom has the moral high ground. A good start as to understanding who is telling the truth, is history. Check out the statements these people have made under oath, and their actions. What have they consistently done? That bit of “Oh we can meet after all in DC”; at virtually the last minute. Everything was already set up in Orlando; the only person who wasn’t going to show up was the mediator. Why change the venue at the last minute? They complained when we launched our lawsuit in FLL; the argument was a snarky response calling the union careless and needlessly wasteful of time and resources.

Our negotiators are using their free time and union money to meet. Why was it they wanted to change the venue at the last minute? Come on, that’s a delay and frustration tactic. Waste our union negotiating team’s time and money; a wear down tactic. Delay; the longer this drags out, the more money they keep off of our tables.
Old 01-27-2015 | 12:58 PM
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What's the typical turn over rate for pilots?
Old 01-27-2015 | 01:17 PM
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What's the typical turn over rate for pilots?
Last year was about 15%.
Old 01-27-2015 | 02:04 PM
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Thanks guys for taking the time to answer my questions.
Old 01-27-2015 | 02:06 PM
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One last question; how senior is LAS?
Old 01-27-2015 | 02:25 PM
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Originally Posted by Thunderpig
This isn't meant to be a poke in the eye or a snarky question:

Is it going to look negatively on the union that they were (allegedly) unwilling to meet in DC since the mediator was apparently unable to travel due to funds and (allegedly) the company offered to meet the union there?

Caveat: this was a topic of conversation between a couple of people and I was curious who was telling the truth.
2 years of sitting there across the table with their arms folded and now all of sudden they want to hammer out a deal in DC? It's painfully clear that they have zero intention of taking the process seriously. The "oh, but we wanted to meet but the big, mean IBT wouldn't" is just a desperate attempt to garner sympathy just on the off-chance there is an Allegiant pilot left without a fully functional brain.
Old 01-27-2015 | 02:29 PM
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I really doubt attrition was anyway near 15% this past year. I know of 0 hired at Delta, 1 at United, a couple jetBlue, maybe 3 at Alaska. A handful went back to American. Where did the other 50 go?
Old 01-27-2015 | 02:31 PM
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Originally Posted by GVGUY
One last question; how senior is LAS?
MD-80 FO - Used to be senior but it's gotten much more junior (guys from the last class were awarded it)

757 FO - We had several newhires go directly into it, but with the seat lock it's going to stagnate

MD-80 CA - Most junior is a 2011 hire

757 CA - Forget it
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