Viper446

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Originally Posted by clippedwings View Post
Been with the company just over 2 years, going to make around 80k this year, live 20 minutes from the airport, work am shift ( show 0600 usually done around 1400), in my bed every night, just voted in a union, and flying newer airbus right now. That is how I am willing to put up with it. Things will get even better once we hash things out with the company on soft pay, 401k, and other things.... . Enjoy your EWR commute.

clippedwings

I love APC!! Viper... I posted this over TWO years ago in reply to someone who posted this:

"Interesting that airline management pockets its share of the profits on the back of its employees, though I'm not surprised. What really interesting is how one is so willing to put up with it. Management will always have a carrot dangling for some sucker to try and reach for it."

Some pilot at a major basically calling me a sucker for working at Allegiant. Dog asked you a question??? Where in my post did I say the PAY was great?? I told the poster TWO years ago "that is how I'm willing to put up with it". Never said the pay was great... QOL on the other hand... Yep, that WAS very good. Thats all I have to say on the subject.. I will see you guys in another two years.

disco inferno

You must not have gotten the memo. You are never allowed to say anything about Allegiant that can be considered positive. You are supposed to loathe and bash your employer at all times. Any positive comments about anything at all (even enjoying day trips in low COL bases) will be immediate grounds for accusations that you are management or some kind of would be scab.

There is a sad little group of people on APC that seem to have made it life goal of bashing Allegiant and anyone who doesn't carry water for them. Rather than just find a new job and quit they choose to stew in their misery.

Stok1

I'm not miserable. I have become all Zen now, I'm over it not a worry in the world. Like I don't worry about our incompetent allegiant maintenance that left the "Cotter Pin" uninstalled on the tail assembly of the MD80 aircraft which flew as Flight 436 out of Vegas on its way to Peoria on August 17, 2015. Which was the cause of the the nose prematurely lifting off just before V1 at about 130 knots. At least that's what the NTSB found, to which they classified as an accident. Did you catch the Nightly News segment on that one? But hey its all good...

Ohh those passengers on that flight. If they only knew...

disco inferno

It's not the legitimate concerns that are annoying. It's the fact that the "usual suspects" can't allow anyone to say anything positive about Allegiant ever. Apparently, many guys on here have been in their bubble so long that they can't imagine that some guys coming to Allegiant actually have it worse than they do. They arrogantly assume that people should stay in a worse place rather than come to Allegiant.

My quality of life went up exponentially by coming to Allegiant. Allegiant has a bunch of problems and the pay is pretty bad, but it isn't as bad and hopeless as the regionals. Anyone that says otherwise is lying or has no clue. I have friends doing some expat work. You should hear some of their horror stories. Allegiants problems would be a welcome relief for them. It's all a matter of perspective. That said, we need a good contract and Maury needs to go. I am not pleased with the heavy use of contract mx, even in hubs. My hope is that when Maury goes, he will take his penny pinching ways with him. Our problems here are fixable. It will take the right leadership however.

dogismycopilot

Thanks for the clarification, Viper. So "willing to put up with it" = "great."

labbats

I'm in full agreement with everything you said. I think bashing anyone with something positive to say diminishes the true issues raised here.

I'm certain that ValueJet had its fair share of "happy to be here" pilots right up to the crash too though. The safety fears here are legit.

I think a lot of the seething tempers are due to the fact that Allegiant could be such a great job if it wasn't for MG. I hope we get a contract soon because it will likely move him on down the road.

Stok1

I hear ya, "Cotter Pins" negligently not being installed by contract maintenance on the MD80 tail assembly that failed on takeoff roll; August 17, 2015, Flight 436 LAS to PIA, that required an extreme high speed RTO, had that been one of our shorter runways and/or the captain actually allowed a lift off.. That is the negligence of our CEO, COO, on down the line.

MD80driver2day

A few things to consider...

The major issues we have here are from an understaffed maintenance department and a somewhat (being nice) incompetent maintenance control. 99.9% of the issues we have here are not safety of flight issues. Airplanes will not be falling out of the sky because of a high tail temp or because an IRU fails. (Can't speak for the Bus, but it doesn't sound like they're having many issues). So to say that people were happy up to the point of the crash is insinuating we're about to have a crash. I don't think we're any closer to that than SWA, DAL, or any other airline. Again, don't get me wrong.... we have some serious issues.

I totally agree that this place could be great without MG, GB, and a few other people that are apparently incapable of seeing the forrest through the trees.

MD80driver2day

You're on here all the time as the subject matter expert. As such, you should know that Allegiant provides it's own inspector on all C-checks, so it would have been a company mechanic that failed to accurately inspect the pin.