Maybe we can help SH with other categories where we're not like anyone else. Let's see; oh I know, number of air returns last summer.

Who else has one?

 

Ya Mr don't ask don't tell screwed up royally with that first letter. Aside from the pay rates Frontier and Spirit work rules and other sections in particular; union security/dues check off and the like, are light years ahead of of where Allegiant management want so desperately for us. A thin to no agreement that Allegiant management will throw in the garbage can at will.

Thanks Mav, I'll take the first statements in that letter to be our standard; Robust work rules and union security ala Frontier/Spirit. Pay to equate to our peers swa and the like.

 

Especially considering it sounds like Spirits new TA will put top CA pay at around $240/hour, with no loss of work rules.

 

I agree with that.

 

Aren't you just a little ray of sunshine. Did one of your other alias's get banned and Stoki1 is your new handle? If you hate everything about Allegiant, do us all a favor and quit already. Your whining is tiresome.

 

I think he has a very valid list of concerns...

 

If you haven't, go and look at the presentation on g4pilots. It is insane to think we are that uneducated as a group to think these stats should sway us. Many of the slides contradict the attempted point being made.

Codeshare? Why use that? Many of our competitors/comaprison companies don't use codeshare either.

They want to use Hawaiian as a comparison? Not a good idea since the capt starting pay is over $200 and we dont see $200 until year....oh wait, we dont.

Lets take a look at 401k, Hawaiian again has a 15% direct contribution from the company and Alaska has 8, 9, 10 and 11% based on years of service. Spirit gets 9% matching, JB is 5% matching and then 8% direct contribution, but we get a measly 4%, if we contribute 5%.

What about insurance? We pay 100% up to $3500 a year in deductibles plus $300/month in premiums for the privelage to pay that $3500 deductible. Others like Hawaiian and Alaska only pay 20% of medical costs.

One major slide left off the presentation, PROFITS! 51 quarters of profit and the MOST profitable airline in the WORLD! We tout that to the investors but they seem to have left it off the presentation.

But we are home every night, not for our benefit but for the benefit of the company. These are just a couple of issues that are non starters and get quick no vote if they are not in the TA. IBT, listen up and don't present a pile of garbage like other unions have this year. I'm getting tired of these lame "offers" by the company and no word from the union on what we are presenting. Folks I hope you have your finances in order to with stand a strike. We are being watched and if our management is able to splinter or break our solidarity other companies will do the same.

 

I'd like to think I've been extremely partial with my opinions and statements posted so far here with regards to our company, but when I read that email earlier and how it pretends to justify (in my opinion) any significant improvement in our pay/contract, I began to blow some fumes.

It is unreal how SH just implies that, just because we are not like any other airline out there (pretty darn obvious), we can't expect realistic pay increases and all around improvements. Don't know how someone can just defend a position like that with that one argument. A person needs only to look at the stock, profits, and operation costs to realize it would not significantly hurt the company to provide what we deserve as a pilot group.

Fly safe everyone!

 

Another difference....we are the most profitable (% of revenue) than all those listed too...but yet, I didn't see that listed as a difference!

 

Allegiant has "many fewer pilots." LOL Right.

Yeah they forgot to mention the 20+% profit margin, higher than every other Legacy in the world. Having less pilots would actually justify paying more since it's saving them so much money, fewer HR personal to manage, fewer schedulers, less healthcare costs, less training costs, the list goes on.