blastoff

It's a trip that works fewer days than you're gone due to a 24+ hour overnight. A normal (non-slash) 3 day displays the overnights as (for example) "ORD-DEN" in the Layover column on the N4 display for a 3 day that overnights in ORD on night 1 and DEN night 2. If you fly to ORD and then spend 30 hours (all of day 2) at the hotel and then go home on day 3, it displays as "ORD/" in the N4 Layover column--hence the name "slash." Most of our slash trips are 3 days gone, only earning 2 working days pay. At United and Delta, a 3 day is a 3 day regardless if you overnight 24+ hours.

Sunfish FAIP

So now the stoning, tar and feathers discussion makes real good sense. With the passing of ACD it will readjust the rig to what kind of minimums per day gone?

blastoff

Average of 5:15. Therefore all 3 days (finish after 0200 day 3) worth 15:45, 4 days 21:00. Currently a bunch of 3 day slash trips paying in the 11-12 hour range.

Name User

After reading the arguments against I hope it gets voted down. That RO language is total BS. Must take highest time trip? WTF?

With ACD most of those low paying trips will go away and be interspersed in regular flying. It will pay more for sure. I can't believe they are the most efficient use of resources but the company feels like it is.

Did you catch that line about not floating or no LOS?

Oh and the lanagusge doesn't even get implemted until Fall of next year!

This isn't a base hit, if anything it's a step back with loss of work rules.

jcountry

I agree.

I started on the other side of the fence, but wow-this agreement has one hell of a lot of bad in it.

Leave it to our ****stain union to **** this up beyond belief.

I don’t care whether it passes or not. Just send me the card to decertify this abomination of a union.

Route66

You won’t send in a card. You’ll complain here or CNR like everyone does, keep paying your money and accept what’s given to you. They don’t listen to you guys. I don’t get on CNR and my computer screen still bulges with all the complaining/no action coming from APA Pilots. This site is a mirror of CNR. You’ll take what you’re given.
Happy New Year 2018. APA.....same ole same ole.

Laker24

How often are you guys RO'd? I have had a grand total of 1 recovery obligation during the last 12 months. Did it suck? Sure but I would much rather have 5:15 for 12 months of the year and deal with a RO every once in a blue moon. If we vote no the RO practices will remain the same. We gain nothing with a no vote except the chance to continue winning 5% of our grievances. Voting yes gives us a 50% settlement on grievances.

So we are turning down massive economic benefit to keep from conceding practices that are already in place and maybe used a couple times per year per pilot. Not to mention we can fix RO language in Section 6. Our JCBA is written with so many holes in it at the moment it's nearly worthless. There is a give to this but the take is much larger than the give. If we were offered $500/hour to give up crew meals the CLT and PHL reps would be raising hell that this is unsafe and we shouldn't be paying for our pay raise, etc.

sherpster

How bad are the schedules at AA?

Laker24

Senior schedules are great. But they suck for junior guys. We have a lot of junior lines with 10 days off due to 3 day pairings paying 11 hours. This is a problem with narrow body and wide body aircraft. This agreement would make a junior line go from 10 to 15 days off and exposes each pilot to possibly getting a crappy re-assigment maybe a couple times a year in exchange. Seems like a great trade to me.

biigD

I think it's heavily dependent on the base and equipment (and seniority, obviously). The 737 in NYC isn't bad. I tend to fly five 3-day trips per month. Every so often I'll be awarded four 3-days. So between 12-15 days of work, although usually it'll be 15. My trips tend to average around 17-19 hours, although some of the garbage ones can be down at 15.30. Fortunately NYC is really junior, so with about 4 years of seniority I'm over halfway up the FO list and can avoid flying stuff that sucks (redeyes, low credit, or 3 leg days).

So generally I'm pretty happy. But I also live in base and don't care about commutability. I know a lot of guys at AA are getting abused out there - 12 days off, and so on. I'm sure they'll chime in with their situation.