Avg Calendar Day, LOS approved
12-29-2017, 05:47 AM
#52
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Originally Posted by Arado 234
What is the point if you have the same idiots running the same show under a different name?
You want change? Vote them out!
"Back to the line, b¡t(hes!"
You want change? Vote them out!
"Back to the line, b¡t(hes!"
12-29-2017, 06:50 AM
#53
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Avg Calendar Day, LOS approved
Where are you getting both DFW reps are voting this down?!? Ummmmmmmmm, I’ve talked to TW and he is leaning yes by all accounts although he has serious questions for the NC and JW has been a huge proponent and was Carey’s biggest fan during the townhall.
I get that TW rubs guys the wrong way, and I think he is dead wrong on many issues, but he is very open about what he’s thinking. He voted ‘no’ procedurally with the initial motion a few weeks ago because the BoD was left in the dark. I agree with him - it’s a bad precedent to set.
TW is the worst on the j/s issue - I agree, but in many respects he is very much for protecting us.
He’s an stuck in his ways, has an ego the size of his base, but the dude isn’t a super villain. I have talked with him many times via email about the AIP, and have sent soundoffs voicing my support of this deal - hopefully you’ve done the same!
I get that TW rubs guys the wrong way, and I think he is dead wrong on many issues, but he is very open about what he’s thinking. He voted ‘no’ procedurally with the initial motion a few weeks ago because the BoD was left in the dark. I agree with him - it’s a bad precedent to set.
TW is the worst on the j/s issue - I agree, but in many respects he is very much for protecting us.
He’s an stuck in his ways, has an ego the size of his base, but the dude isn’t a super villain. I have talked with him many times via email about the AIP, and have sent soundoffs voicing my support of this deal - hopefully you’ve done the same!
12-29-2017, 07:12 AM
#54
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Originally Posted by Cheddar
Where are you getting both DFW reps are voting this down?!? Ummmmmmmmm, I’ve talked to TW and he is leaning yes by all accounts although he has serious questions for the NC and JW has been a huge proponent and was Carey’s biggest fan during the townhall.
I get that TW rubs guys the wrong way, and I think he is dead wrong on many issues, but he is very open about what he’s thinking. He voted ‘no’ procedurally with the initial motion a few weeks ago because the BoD was left in the dark. I agree with him - it’s a bad precedent to set.
TW is the worst on the j/s issue - I agree, but in many respects he is very much for protecting us.
He’s an stuck in his ways, has an ego the size of his base, but the dude isn’t a super villain. I have talked with him many times via email about the AIP, and have sent soundoffs voicing my support of this deal - hopefully you’ve done the same!
I get that TW rubs guys the wrong way, and I think he is dead wrong on many issues, but he is very open about what he’s thinking. He voted ‘no’ procedurally with the initial motion a few weeks ago because the BoD was left in the dark. I agree with him - it’s a bad precedent to set.
TW is the worst on the j/s issue - I agree, but in many respects he is very much for protecting us.
He’s an stuck in his ways, has an ego the size of his base, but the dude isn’t a super villain. I have talked with him many times via email about the AIP, and have sent soundoffs voicing my support of this deal - hopefully you’ve done the same!
So is he saying that he thinks it will pass?
12-29-2017, 07:33 AM
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Originally Posted by Al Czervik
The big problem is allowing current scheduling practices to remain. They really dont operate by any rules. This would allow them to basically have no rules going forward. I can’t imagine not having ANY language on scheduling practices.
If the BOD screws this up I think they should all be recalled.
12-29-2017, 07:47 AM
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Originally Posted by Laker24
If we vote no that won't change. Voting yes sets up a schedule where APA meets with the company to resolve filling of open time. Or we can turn it all down and end up with nothing. We win 10% of our grievances. I can't believe it's even a debate.
If the BOD screws this up I think they should all be recalled.
If the BOD screws this up I think they should all be recalled.
Even if we vote this thing down, nothing will change WRT scheduling practices. The violations will continue, CS will keep doing their thing.
It’s a no brainer.
The membership needs to revolt if the BOD votes this down.
12-29-2017, 09:18 AM
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Originally Posted by mainlineAF
So is he saying that he thinks it will pass?
Didn’t ask him that. Just saying that he has relayed that there are many good things in the AIP, but he has some reservations. TW is many things but uncalculating isn’t one of them. He has a very tough election coming up, and I don’t think he is willing to just vote this down because...
MY guess is that several BoD members will ask for the NC to clarify language with the company, and it will ultimately pass. CLT, DCA, MIA and LAX will each have 1 no vote each. I think both DFW votes will be yes. I think it passes by a larger margin than we think. I hope so anyway, cause it’s going to be horrible if not. We will be more divided than ever.
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12-29-2017, 09:19 AM
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Originally Posted by aa73
^^^ This...
Even if we vote this thing down, nothing will change WRT scheduling practices. The violations will continue, CS will keep doing their thing.
It’s a no brainer.
The membership needs to revolt if the BOD votes this down.
Even if we vote this thing down, nothing will change WRT scheduling practices. The violations will continue, CS will keep doing their thing.
It’s a no brainer.
The membership needs to revolt if the BOD votes this down.
Agreed. We aren’t giving them anything that’s not happening anyway or that isn’t in the JCBA.
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12-29-2017, 12:29 PM
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Originally Posted by Cheddar
Agreed. We aren’t giving them anything that’s not happening anyway or that isn’t in the JCBA.
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I would guess there are a few senior bidders who make a lot of money on the side catching out CS assigning trips incorrectly. They grieve it and get paid. They don't want their side business to go away so they are pressuring reps to kill the deal. They will never deal with slash trips or reserve and don't care about LOS.
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